ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Dalven]

Lol Sirken, let me see if I can keep up with that flurry.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think they wanted you to think that for shock value when its robb. Bran has this dream, There were shadows all around them. One Shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them loomed a Giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood. i believe the third person is robert strong before he has robbs head. just a crackpot theory, could easily be wrong, but i like to think im right.

as far as neds bones. i have a feeling they're at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed. their last known whereabouts was near Moat Cailin, which we were told was being harassed by crannogmen. So im thinking that they ended up at Greywater Watch, which would be seriously awesome because that means his bones are safe and well looked after at least by his old friend Howland Reed. we know that they haven't reached Barrowton yet according to Lady Barbrey Dustin, so they can't have gone much farther than Moat Cailin. and if they were seen at Moat Cailin a while ago, they SHOULD have reached Barrowton, so it stands to reason that Neds bones are at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed.

and i NEED this, because i NEED to see Howland Reed. hes the last person alive from the incident at the Tower of Joy. and the last person that can say for sure if R+L=J.

That passage you quoted is an interesting one for a lot of reasons - one must be the Hound, he has had an impact on both the Stark girls' life. A figure armoured like the sun leads me to think of Jaime and his golden armour but he hasn't really had a direct impact on either of them besides sending Brienne out to wander pointlessly in the riverlands. Perhaps his forthcoming confrontation with Stoneheart will shed light on this. Again I'm inclined to agree that the third figure is the Mountain but he hasn't had anything to do with Sansa although Arya was forced to witness some of his horrors. I hope your theory pans out tho, there must be a reason Robert Strong didn't lift his helm.

Howland Reed holds the key to R+L=J for sure but which PoV will get to him first? No one is near him at the minute so I reckon it'll be book seven before we see him.

All Sirken's Azor Ahai/PtwP stuff

You make a lot of good points. This knot gets more interesting as Dany is clearly being set up to be the obvious candidate but as has been shown people have misinterpreted that prophecy before. Melisandre's vision even specifically mentions Jon in ADWD during her POV chapter when she thinks of Azor Ahai. Jon is now in a position where he can be reborn and we can't really predict how this is going to happen at the moment, or what he is going to be like when he comes back. What do we know about the Prince that was Promised prophecy? I can't recall getting even a fable version like we got from Salladhor San about AA. Aegon is definitely a fake - I'm fond of the theory that he is Illyrio's son by his Blackfyre wife, but regardless of the truth of that nuance I'm certain he's a Blackfyre. Too much of the Blackfyre rebellion has been talked about in the Dunk and Egg novellas for it not to have an impact on the main story (btw has anyone read the new short story yet? Have got a copy of Dangerous Women but haven't read it yet - apparently a history of the first Dance of Dragons.)

Back on point - does anyone in Westeros know about Azor Ahai? Does Dany? Did Aemon? Although I think Moqorro is about to enlighten her - does this validate her as AA or are Red Priests just dumb all round?

Originally Posted by deezy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Greetings, I just spent the last 3 weeks reading this thread from work.

I think it might be the other way around considering Aemon explicitly names Daenerys as the prince that was promised. While Melisandre saw Snow while looking in the fire after she asked for a glimpse of Azor Ahai.

Welcome to the deep end pal.