Victim disarmament zones

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Originally Posted by aowen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I think he can see how retarded you are by himself. I like how you also still think from the other thread that you're right about when poverty alleviation began.

Except that I specifically used the term "war on poverty" because I was speaking specifically about the great expansion started by LBJ. I know you're not used to people using precise terms, and it's clear you can only think in broad generalizations (as your mistake earlier reinforces), but do try and keep up.

Now on the point of causation.. Are you not trying to make the case that gun laws and gun murder rates are causally related? I mean, why would you show statistics outlining the correlation otherwise? If your point is that these things are correlated, but there is no causal relationship, then there would be no reason to debate changing the law. The majority of people, myself included, are mostly utilitarian when it comes to laws. We want laws that have good effects. Causal relationships are crucial when making a utilitarian decision. If we don't think adding a new gun law will decrease gun deaths, there's no reason to even consider the other aspects (freedom vs safety). I simply can't believe that you weren't trying to imply that there is a causal relationship between these two things. Everything I just said could be said for your argument in the poverty thread as well. Don't be dishonest and act like you aren't trying to infer causation from correlation.