Bard swarm kiting that kills other players

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm all about serving justice to irresponsible AOE kiters, and I'm not trying to undermine your authority, but wouldn't summoning the kiter into their own train (1) result in their death and, more importantly, (2) unleash the train onto the zone, potentially killing the people you are trying to protect?

You are absolutely correct, which is why before doing something like this I will announce to the zone that a swarm is about to break and run all over the place.

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater

and also, is action taken when the train "runs over" a player and doesn't aggro them? for example, if a kiter's train happens to path over somebody running in the middle of the zone, but the kiter does not die and no mobs ever aggro the person who came into aggro range of the train, does disciplinary action still take place? the way you describe it, you will be punishing people for random happenings in addition to the irresponsible running of trains over players camped at the zone edges. in either case, i don't see how running a train by anyone who doesn't catch any aggro is breaking any rules.

again, i'm not trying to undermine any authority. i think the discipline will do great things, but i think it's best to be as clear as possible about this.

Yes, I am saying that even if you do not get attacked right away, I will still be taking action. Those mobs will be adding the player that was passed by to their hate list, even if it's at the bottom.

From the server rules thread:

Originally Posted by Rogean

Training
Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules. This rule is not limited to the basic example given, as there are many different forms of training players will use. You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary. It is recommended that you take the death (Your responsibility for aggroing the mobs) and request a resurrection from nearby players.

I want people to keep their swarms away from other players. It causes too many problems, deaths, and petitions, and honestly it's not that difficult. Just show a little discretion when grabbing your swarms and you'll be fine.

My sincere hope is that everyone plays nice and I can leave everyone alone.


**edit** looks like you beat me to it

however, this is still a bit ambiguous when it comes to defining a "group in your way." if you actively keep your train away from all known camps in the zone, and still manage to run it over a person running through the middle of the zone without any aggro transferring, is this punishable?

Do your best to avoid people running through the zone. Again, this shouldn't be that difficult. Keep in mind that each situation will be evaluated as it comes, but use this as a baseline. For example, if there's some bard hater intentionally trying to get trained by running around your swarm/getting in your way, I'm not going to punish you. But if someone is just trying to cross the zone to get to the OT outpost from WW, you need to make sure your swarm doesn't go near them.