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[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again an unnecessary jump. Why would you compare the two?
Circumcision is almost always done to an infant who is unable to say no to such a procedure, granted there are parents who will pierce the ears of their infant daughters (a practice I also disagree with) but the number of parents who don't far outweighs that number.
Invalid comparison altogether.

what are you talking about? a significant portion of american girls have their ears pierced before they're 6 months old. a majority have them pierced before they're 10. they can't say no and it doesn't matter if they do. almost no girl waits until an age of legal consent

and circumcision is safer as a neonate or infant. complication rates quadruple for young children as opposed to infants. it's medically preferable to perform the surgery on an infant instead of waiting until they're old enough to give an opinion that a parent would disregard anyway

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what are you talking about? a significant portion of american girls have their ears pierced before they're 6 months old. a majority have them pierced before they're 10. they can't say no and it doesn't matter if they do. almost no girl waits until an age of legal consent

After about 10 minutes of searching for statistics I gave up trying to find any statistics to back up your claim. The closest I came up with was a site stating that it's extremely common in latin-american culture to pierce girls as babys.
Regardless I've stated that I'm against the practice.
My girlfriend has 24 piercings and counting and she is against the practice of piercing a child against their will.

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and circumcision is safer as a neonate or infant. complication rates quadruple for young children as opposed to infants. it's medically preferable to perform the surgery on an infant instead of waiting until they're old enough to give an opinion that a parent would disregard anyway

Do you have any idea at all what you're talking about?
Yeah asking a 6 year old if they want the end of their dick cut off while you've been pushing ideas into their undeveloped mind that they are "dirty" because they have it counts as consent.
You're just pitiful.

[Daldolma]

by the way, you're totally ignoring the plethora of studies that say circumcision decreases risk of HIV, oncogenic types of HPV, HSV-2, penile cancer, cervical cancer in hetero partners, phimosis, balanitis, and UTIs. randomized controlled trials show no clinically significant difference in sexual satisfaction or function between circumcised/uncircumcised.

depending on society, there can also be vast differences in aesthetic preference among sexual partners

complication rate is exceptionally low, and risks are very minor

basically, it's a minor elective procedure with a handful of mildly beneficial effects and very few risks. the only reason to get worked up about it is if you're an uninformed bigot, which you are.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah asking a 6 year old if they want the end of their dick cut off while you've been pushing ideas into their undeveloped mind that they are "dirty" because they have it counts as consent.

um, no, it doesn't -- that's the point i just made. it's not consent until they're of legal age to consent, so what difference does it make if you do it when they're an infant or when they're an 8-year old? none.

almost no girls in america wait until they're of legal age to consent before getting their ears pierced.

it's a fine comparison. their 10-year old consent to getting their ears pierced isn't consent at all

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

by the way, you're totally ignoring the plethora of studies that say circumcision decreases risk of HIV, oncogenic types of HPV, HSV-2, penile cancer, cervical cancer in hetero partners, phimosis, balanitis, and UTIs. randomized controlled trials show no clinically significant difference in sexual satisfaction or function between circumcised/uncircumcised.

depending on society, there can also be vast differences in aesthetic preference among sexual partners

complication rate is exceptionally low, and risks are very minor

basically, it's a minor elective procedure with a handful of mildly beneficial effects and very few risks. the only reason to get worked up about it is if you're an uninformed bigot, which you are.

Your posting history only shows that your bias is anything but medical. I suggest you reflect on all of the garbage that you've been posting when it's been pointed out multiple times your sources are biased for a plethora of reasons. Particularly noteworthy when you resort to invoking for how it's an "aesthetic preference depending upon society".
If I cared what newborn-dick-sucking primitives cared about I'd be in a whole heap of trouble.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

almost no girls in america wait until they're of legal age to consent before getting their ears pierced.

it's a fine comparison. their 10-year old consent to getting their ears pierced isn't consent at all

That's because they ask their parents for permission to do it because it's a body choice they want to make. Next you'll be saying the same is true about intact boys begging their parents to have their foreskin stripped. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're an idiot, please stop posting.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's because they ask their parents for permission to do it because it's a body choice they want to make. Next you'll be saying the same is true about intact boys begging their parents to have their foreskin stripped. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're an idiot, please stop posting.

If it matters, I've never met anyone actually pissed that they were circumcised. Matter of fact, I've ran into more people that were pissed at doing it later in life then having it done at birth.

This is odd though, because in reality, I have never talked to any man about their penis.

[Kagatob]

That's a self-conflicting statement. It also lacks context as there are certain uncommon conditions where partial or complete removal of the foreskin does result in improved genital function. If I was born with a broken dick I'd be pissed at waiting to get it fixed too. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your posting history only shows that your bias is anything but medical. I suggest you reflect on all of the garbage that you've been posting when it's been pointed out multiple times your sources are biased for a plethora of reasons. Particularly noteworthy when you resort to invoking for how it's an "aesthetic preference depending upon society".
If I cared what newborn-dick-sucking primitives cared about I'd be in a whole heap of trouble.

my sources are peer reviewed medical studies including randomized controlled trials, most of which were cited by the CDC, the WHO, and/or the NIH.

you have no sources because you're an ignorant bigot

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TNext you'll be saying the same is true about intact boys begging their parents to have their foreskin stripped. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really don't think thats too uncommon. Around puberty when males start comparing themselves to each other while trying to impress girls, when a non-circumcised boy sees that all of his friends are cut hes going to wonder whats wrong. with a little internet research he'll probably find that it provides health benefits and is sexually preferable( not my opinion but seems to be the common trend these days) and my ask his parents for a circumcision. probably not like a 10 year old gear begging to get her ears pierced but im sure if your willing to ask your parents to get cut your pretty set on it and willing to fight for it.