What is Anarchy?

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How comfy to be able to blame everything on schemes, conspirators, and authority, instead of the aggregate shortcomings of the electorate/citizenry in a system where personal and social responsibility are supposed to be the dictate the effectiveness of government.

Is it personal or social responsibility?

And what is personal responsibility? What is social responsibility? Do you think that you and Hasbin, for example, have the same definition of both?

I really wouldnt oversimplify things like this.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it personal or social responsibility?

And what is personal responsibility? What is social responsibility? Do you think that you and Hasbin, for example, have the same definition of both?

I really wouldnt oversimplify things like this.

Personal responsibility to be an educated and reasonable person, and a social responsibility to apply those principles to the political system and participate in making it better. Every nation has the government it deserves. The second you put your hands up and say "Well this is fucked, our government is failing us, all of us citizens are such good people but look at those fucks in Washington/Wall Street/Halliburton", you're doing representative democracy a disservice.

Criticisms of authority should always be grounded by an examination of the origins of that authority. For example, people blast the government for excessive spending and an inability to control debt. Meanwhile, excessive credit card debt, misguided loan debt, and just generally irresponsible spending are rampant among Americans. Why do we hold the government to a higher standard, when that kind of paternalism is completely antithetic to the enlightenment liberalism under which our political legacy originated. It's okay to criticize the failings of government, but outright blame bothers me.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree that Plato was a smart dude. I have read The Republic. I do not agree that anything in life is inevitable, and I do not agree that Plato has a crystal ball. I do not think Plato would agree with what you are saying right now.

Well I agree he did not have a crystal ball. He had the observations from history of many empires that rose and fell. We can look back now in modern history and see his ideas are correct. Chomsky on the other hand has no such observations to pull from in regards to anarchism aside from tribal interactions. In 1,000 years Chomsky will be a footnote compared to Plato. My issue with Plato's ideas is that they are being exploited today and we are headed for a tyranny.

[K|mm Barely]

Think about it. We are in it kids.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Meanwhile, excessive credit card debt, misguided loan debt, and just generally irresponsible spending are rampant among Americans.

you don't think the predatory lending has anything to do with the global corporate fascist agenda?

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But I'm sure you thought you were being very clever when you did that, so I'll give credit where credit is due. Daldoma, it appears you worked very hard to craft a sick burn and I appreciate your attempt to enjoin us to believe your point of view. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thank you for noticing

srsly tho, chomsky is p much harrison. power is ill begotten, authority is mostly bunk, the elites are playing by different rules and rewriting them to fit their ends

solution: n/a, but let's spend 30 years talking about it

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't think the predatory lending has anything to do with the global corporate fascist agenda?

+1

You cant blame the citizens aside from the fact that they haven't revolted and thrown out the corrupt politicians for the debt based financial institutions created to ensure monopolies.

This is classic divide and conquer. Blame the people for being exploited haha.

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't think the predatory lending has anything to do with the global corporate fascist agenda?

It takes two parties to create a predatory loan:

1. A predatory lender.

2. A greedy dipshit who is too irresponsible to handle their own finances.

There are and were lots of both.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. A greedy dipshit who is too irresponsible to handle their own finances.

greedy? or uneducated? or unfortunate?

[Ephirith]

The first two.