Why do devs keep making these retarded cash shop MMORPGs that all fail?

[Rhambuk]

I don't mind the stores personally, i dont buy the exp pots or anything because i feel once you go down that path theres no turning back.

I do love the appearance gear! im all about how my char looks, the only raiding in wow I did were xmog runs and I admit i wasted a buttload of cash in eq2 on appearance gear.

I just cant help myself, if p99....nevermind

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by Noselacri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Has there ever been a pay4power MMORPG that wasn't a complete and utter fiasco?

Neverwinter had its soft release yesterday (the open beta scheme where they launch the game but reserve the right to excuse all problems with "it's still beta") and it's just blatant pay2win.

You can buy all sorts of nonsense with cash, like full heal potions with 200 charges when the normal potions available in-game are more like WoW's potions: fairly costly and heal you for like 30%. Since potions have almost no cooldown in Neverwinter, you can literally eliminate the need for a healer if you pay the dollar bills it takes.

If you die, you can click a button to insta-rez yourself right there for 5 Zen (half a dollar) and you can buy the in-game currencies with cash. You can also buy shit like AoE rez scrolls, bonus packs with insanely overpowered low-level gear, and all the other typical thinly-veiled pay2win shit.

Everything can technically be obtained via gameplay, but of course they've designed it so it takes so long it might as well not be possible. The aforementioned 200-charge full heal potion? Estimated time to grind: 55 hours at current Astral Diamond to Zen conversion rates.

You also have to buy bags with Zen (or grind for days and days and days to get enough AD to buy the Zen) and high-level companions have to be bought as well. Anyone so inclined can swing the credit card and buy their endgame purples that way, or exp boosts that let them level from 1 to 60 in an afternoon.

Needless to say, this game will be dead within the month. My question is: why the shitting fuck do idiot developers keep making games like this? Is it really profitable or are they just failing over and over, making the same mistakes as the last thirty groups of morons did?¨

It's a real shame because the gameplay is kind of fun but who in their right mind is gonna make a serious commitment to a game that quite literally lets people buy cheat codes for $$$?

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/neverwinter/1226580p1.html


But all that aside - any game where I can visit Baldur's Gate / be a mercenary from there = ok win

[Swish]

I was in the P99 IRC a while back, someone was telling me how much he had made from Diablo 3... the game didn't seem to go down well with players. As a Diablo fan (who's never played D3) I find it sad that Blizzard had to trial that system on Diablo.

If its fun to accumulate whatever it is you're selling for cash, then that's great... but you have to wonder how deep people's pockets go, or whether there's some spoilt little shits out there with daddy's credit card.

Worryingly I think, is that kids will grow up not knowing what it was to buy a game that was complete without additional DLC or pay2win options in it. Companies like EA will sucker more and more people in just through the fact that people begin to consider it "standard practice".

For us long time gamers (assuming most people here are in their mid-20s or older), we either pay up or our choice of titles becomes increasingly limited. But that's why we love emulators like P99, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[gotrocks]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, no it's not. The publisher and the developer for NWN has had absolutely nothing to do with the latest iteration of Neverwinter.

Neverwinter != Neverwinter Nights

right, and i understood that from the start (though you're comment confused the HELl out of me at first), but its in the forgotten realms universe and centers around the town of neverwinter. this is what i was excited about, as i love the setting.

not so excited anymore, obviously

[Smedy]

The irony is that the gaming industry has been ruined by it's own success. Making games use to be a passion from people who were gamers themselves and taking risks and being original/creative was part of the process. The games we experienced in the 90th by far superseed any game produced in the 20th and 21th.

Games are simply no longer original because it's a business, huge corporations pump in money for developers to make the next 'World of Warcraft' or 'Call of Duty'. Games are being dumbed down to the point where you're almost not playing anymore, it's more like a movie playing and it sometimes stops and you have to make a A or B choice.

I think you'll find the really good games now days in the independent scene, all 'AAA' titles are bound to be garbage.

[Clark]

I was interested in Neverwinter until I heard it had cash shop. Cash shop in Perfect World Intertional freakin sucked even though the gameplay and pvp were amazing. Cash shop eventually made that game unplayable as they kept creating more and more items to buy.

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The irony is that the gaming industry has been ruined by it's own success.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Smedy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The games we experienced in the 90th by far superseed any game produced in the 20th and 21th.

This is so true that it is sad. If I had to list my top 10 favorite games of all time, I bet 8 or 9 of them would be from before 2000... and I spent much less time looking for games back then, I just stumbled across stuff in bargain bins and about 1/3 of the time the game I found was just pure win. I can't imagine how many more games there are from the 90s that are 10x better than anything new being released now that I've never even heard of, let alone played.

[Thulack]

Nothing is as good as when you were younger.

[moklianne]

I partially blame the stock exchange. Companies that are privately held have more leeway, where as public ones have to meet stricter quarterly projected figures. An MMO has to be released by a certain date (even if its complete fail) to drive up stock values. Even if the game itself is complete garbage and fails in 3 months, they can reuse the entire engine and some art and release another MMO a few months after. They can keep doing this until a game 'sticks'. Even if the game fails quickly, they've also made their cash grab with an ingame store that they can post with their quarterly figures.