Disappointed Cleric

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by TotallyLegit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah just gotta ask (and then give him 100K).

Never dealt with him before, but hes stating that he has given many clerics hearts while farming RF. If your after your epic piece you shouldnt have too many problems giving up a few loot drops. just my opinion, id love to let tmo kill CT and INNY as long as I got the slimeblood and they got the rest of loot. necro epic please...

[Lagaidh]

The first page of this thread made me sad for the community.

I am so tired of seeing what I call "teenager logic" applied in so many topics in these forums. Teenager logic is the term I use when someone is only interested in "technically correct" instead of the "spirit of an idea".

Dad gets angry at his 17 year old son for something and tells the kid he can't drive the family's car that weekend. When dad catches his kid driving a friend's car on Saturday, he confronts the kid. The kid reminds his dad that he said he couldn't drive the family car. The kid understands that his dad didn't want the kid to drive at all, but... the kid is technically correct.

Folks that aren't sociopathic understand when they are being pissy to somebody else. I'd wager we don't have an end game population here that is comprised of 25%+ sociopaths.

Why oh why do folks have to be so technically correct to one another?

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why oh why do folks have to be so technically correct to one another?

Im with you on this one, I can't stand how "techinical" the community has become.

I'd be on board for seeing staff do what they felt was right and not be bound by technical rules.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why oh why do folks have to be so technically correct to one another?

Young lawyers have to eat too.

[Lagaidh]

Yeah I suppose.

It's just such a shame. I guess the win really is the most important aspect of this game to many a player. I won't begrudge them that. I'm sure there are plenty of folks that would raise an eyebrow at the way I chose to play.

In real life and in Norrath, I try to negatively impact others as little as possible. But that trait is really a greedy one. I don't want to make someone feel bad because then I feel guilty about it forever. Or when I put my foot in my mouth. Which is often.

I guess I have difficulty seeing the other side of this particular coin (topic). That's odd for me, because usually, even if I disagree with another viewpoint, I still understand it.

I have difficulty in understanding the "pros" of certain in-game behavior.

*Sigh* Anonymity will do that to some folks. I never see comfortable (that word is important) humans treating each other like crap more than in auto traffic or on the internet.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have difficulty in understanding the "pros" of certain in-game behavior.

You don't give yourself enough credit, you do see the "pro" of this attitude:

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess the win really is the most important aspect of this game to many a player.

Your issue (and you are not alone in this), is that you have a hard time comprehending and acknowledging that people would be so immature about 14 year old pixels. Winning sounds hollow to you when it was done 14 years ago and all the strategies on how to accomplish it are published and freely available.

[OMGWTF420]

Originally Posted by Minluan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My partner and I joined the P99 community in November 2010, myself leveling 2 characters over 50 and my partner 3 characters. My main is a level 60 Cleric - Elixa of Europa, and my wife plays a Level 60 Mage - Natcha of Europa.

Today (1st March 2013) I logged into EQ and was happy to see that my long time friend and guildy Slozem was planning to check for ragefire in Solb. To my surprise he was up and we proceeded to move to Solb, meeting some Divinty members along the way who were happy to help me attempt the final part of my epic. We planned to share any other loot between our 2 guilds <Europa> and <Divinity>.

We were un-contested and cleared all the fire giants to the lair, we killed the Magi Rokyl and had 2 remaining giants in camp. I got a couple of tells quite quickly saying that I needed to hand in the pearl asap as TMO were coming to try and leap frog us. To that I ran to the human form of ragefire with my pearl in hand, tried to click on him to open the trade window, but was already beaten by Hakata and his faster handing in of the pearl. Ragefire started attacking me, I backed away and Hakata pulled him to the stealthfully formed TMO camp.

We watched for some time as ragefire was trioed by Zagum, Hakata and a TMO cleric (I forget her name). No doubt this heart which has been obtained today will be added to the collection of hearts being sold in this thread: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=96614

Anyway, I find that currently this "community" of players that I am now gaming with leaving a bitter taste in my mouth when I logged off today. I have not been able to obtain my epic for a year now, I have not payed or given anything in return for each of my epic stages apart from my desire to help others complete quests or goals within this game. I am sure you can probably understand my disappointment when I am denied at the very last point of my epic quest to 3 people attempting to amass a horde of platinum.

I understand the rules of this server, and that these are needed to keep a large grey area opening up in guild disputes at the end game. Unfortunately I also remember a time when clearing nearly every fire giant with 3 groups of players and with a cleric hoping for the last mob in their epic quest would be a quite plain statement of intentions, any other group or guild respecting the mobilisation of those people who had logged in specifically to help.

What could be done about this? I am really not sure. But I thought you should know that on this great project and achievement in gaming that some cleaver people have created, moderate and administrate – populated by people who share the same love for this project there are players that treat others in this manner.

I think that if this type of community continues as it is, then we will be producing an environment that is not conducive to maintaining and growing new and good hearted players.

Thank you for taking the time to read this post.

Elixa <Europa>

fuck tmo

[Briac]

Read these:-

Originally Posted by TotallyLegit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys just don't get it.

The title of this thread is "Disappointed Cleric" and it was presented with no hate or malice.

Elixa and his wife have been playing on this server for 2.5 years hanging out, doing their thing, and then one day...

BOOM Ragefire is up and people are available and today looks like the day he is finally going to get his clicky rez! So they are, IN Sol B killing FGs, getting this done

and then....

Luchino, who was admittedly "snoozing on the job" and "doing this for the money", CLEARLY noticed what was going on and deliberately fucked them. He fucked everyone who was there in support of this cleric. For the money.

That's just plain awful.

Will it get you suspended? Seems not. Should it get you and those who participated shunned by the server. Absolutely.


I am disappointed for you, Elixa, and thank you for sharing your experience. It is important to know what kind of people are in your community. I hope you find another opportunity to get your epic soon.

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first page of this thread made me sad for the community.

I am so tired of seeing what I call "teenager logic" applied in so many topics in these forums. Teenager logic is the term I use when someone is only interested in "technically correct" instead of the "spirit of an idea".

Dad gets angry at his 17 year old son for something and tells the kid he can't drive the family's car that weekend. When dad catches his kid driving a friend's car on Saturday, he confronts the kid. The kid reminds his dad that he said he couldn't drive the family car. The kid understands that his dad didn't want the kid to drive at all, but... the kid is technically correct.

Folks that aren't sociopathic understand when they are being pissy to somebody else. I'd wager we don't have an end game population here that is comprised of 25%+ sociopaths.

Why oh why do folks have to be so technically correct to one another?

Originally Posted by Nogdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To answer what was asked several times:

While mostly everyone was raging in their own way when this happened, I was there and did contact Zagum during the event. I wish I could just paste the log but I can't, but here's roughly what I said to him:

"Hey there, I assume it is pointless to ask for you to let our lvl-60-without-epic-cleric-for-way-too-long loot the heart and let you keep the rest of the drops?"

to what he (again, roughly) answered:

"Hello, sorry things have gotten a bit messy, but we've been camping this for hours and have a cleric who needs it"

to what I said

"Ok thanks, gratz to him then. Bye"

I think, Zagum, you can confirm this is true.

It's prolly too late for this now. But my personal feeling is that since you guys claim to be nice chaps and that this is more of a sorry incident than an on-purpose douchebaggery move - why not simply have offered to let Elixa get the heart next time if he throws in his pearl instead of one of yours next time the occasion presents itself. Or even better offer him one of the hearts you have for sale for free against the promise of him giving you his pearl next time.

I think having offered that either during the events or whenever after IG or in this thread would've easily turned such a drama-filled thread into a peaceful happy ending to the story, and everyone's reputation would be unharmed. But well, as you said, apparently what's done is done.

I'm not judging anyone though, we all know what the HL scene of p99 is like, and I find it sad as many of us do, but that won't change it. Our politic at Europa is to stay away as much as possible from the general inter-guild drama going on, but sometimes we're just confronted to it which is why I'm posting now. I just feel terribad for Elixa who really is a friendly and helpful guy who deserved this chance to get his epic, finally. Just don't give up mate, we'll get it sooner or later [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's all hope Velious comes out tomorrow to help a bit with these problems, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The above posts are fair and IMO are trying to redirect the issue back on track. And to be quite honest I wouldn’t want TMO killing the mob for me just to get my epic, I say stand back and give me a f*ing chance to swing my own damn sword!

The past has no power to stop you from being present now. Only your grievance about the past can do that. What is grievance? The baggage of old thought and emotion. - Lao Tzu

I wish people took their baggage elsewhere, this conversation is legit way of expressing disappointment, its is then just cluttered with spin spin spin. If you still think Elixa was wrong to post, start from the top of this post and read again, rinse repeat until you GET IT.

Good luck on your Epic Elixa!

[Luchino]

in other news: ragefire is up and im out of pearls!

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Luchino [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in other news: ragefire is up and im out of pearls!

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