TMO / BDA - Raid Alliance

[47shadesofgay]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe the community is absolutely right to have an extremely valid concern about the legitimacy of the server's rules enforcement in light of how such an apparent violation was seemingly handled.

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[47shadesofgay]

I am curious why you have referred to it as an "apparent violation" that was "seemingly handled" though.

[Funkutron5000]

Come on Xasten. Just say that Desmo should be banned for getting caught breaking a rule that was announced would lead to a perma ban. You know you want to.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by 47shadesofgay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am curious why you have referred to it as an "apparent violation" that was "seemingly handled" though.

Because the staff has not explained their reasoning yet. It would be, in my view, improper to fully assume that there exists no possible extenuating circumstance that justified their actions. Perhaps they know something we do not that materially changes the situation.

I think it would be unfair to use language that condemns staff actions when I do not have the facts as they see them. This is doubly true when I can simply point out a burning question to accomplish the same goal instead of assuming staff actions were ill-founded.

Thus, "apparent" and "seemingly" find a use. It's about starting with respect for the authority and intelligence of the decision makers.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

is keeping a corpse locked until it poofs without looting anything illegal?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

is keeping a corpse locked until it poofs without looting anything illegal?

I assume you mean within VP. A few of us have wondered that as well. I would suspect that the answer is yes because the looter locking the corpse does not have a right to loot the mob. It seems well established that looting a corpse you do not have rights to is improper and would likely fall under the server rules that also prohibit ninja looting. The owner of a corpse has absolute rights to a mob, and this should include the right to exclude others from it. For example, while it is unlikely, there do exist situations where a person might possess a legitimate interest in preventing someone from even seeing what is on the corpse. It seems that the right to exclude others from getting on a corpse is a natural part of owning it. For a collection of thoughts on the nature of owning mob corpses see here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...7&postcount=33

Note that the legality and practicality of locking a corpse are two different things. While it might technically be wrong, it's probably something that might be gotten away with due to insufficient enforcement.

It is not illegal to train a person trying to loot the corpse because training is explicitly authorized in VP, including for purposes of killing a person looting a corpse they own. However, only the training rules are suspended and not the rules concerning ownership of corpses.