Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A closer analogy is the selfish jerk who takes all the free samples at the grocery store and then justifies it by saying everyone else wasn't fast enough.

I don't agree... unless you say that the selfish jerk was sitting waiting for the free sample person for days on end... and when they finally showed up the samples would only go to the first person who arrived.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally did not attend that event, even though I was online, and in fact, I asked other guild mates to boycott going up there. I did feel that they had put in the effort and time, and that stepping on toes as it were was against exactly what I am speaking about above. Lets not pretend however, that TMO was the only guild that went up there... I believe BDA was there as well? (Again, i'm not sure who all was, as I wasn't there) even to later have people claim that "we were going up to support FC" which was a BS claim from people not in FC to try getting around being douchebags.

1) I'm so fucking sick of this from the mass invite guilds "well my guildmates did that and I don't agree with it, you can't really compare me with soandso" - that's bullshit. You condone the behavior by continuing to be guilded with them. I'm part of a guild that polices our members. If someone guilded with me does something that doesn't align with how we do things then they get to find a new guild. It's called having standards.

2) I personally brought up a BDA force to get FTE on behalf of Full Circle after we heard that TMO had showed up. We had been avoiding Hate for days because we knew Full Circle was in it for the long haul.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) I'm so fucking sick of this from the mass invite guilds "well my guildmates did that and I don't agree with it, you can't really compare me with soandso" - that's bullshit. You condone the behavior by continuing to be guilded with them. I'm part of a guild that polices our members. If someone guilded with me does something that doesn't align with how we do things then they get to find a new guild. It's called having standards.

2) I personally brought up a BDA force to get FTE on behalf of Full Circle after we heard that TMO had showed up. We had been avoiding Hate for days because we knew Full Circle was in it for the long haul.

This is extending into R&F material, so i'm going to say let it go from this thread in the interest of the OP. My post, was that of my own opinion, not related to my guild. Please dont lump other's opinions in with mine, nor mine in with others. You can still remain somewhat autonomous within a guild.

[Servellious]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally did not attend that event, even though I was online, and in fact, I asked other guild mates to boycott going up there. I did feel that they had put in the effort and time, and that stepping on toes as it were was against exactly what I am speaking about above. Lets not pretend however, that TMO was the only guild that went up there... I believe BDA was there as well? (Again, i'm not sure who all was, as I wasn't there) even to later have people claim that "we were going up to support FC" which was a BS claim from people not in FC to try getting around being douchebags.

No we really did port up just to help

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't agree... unless you say that the selfish jerk was sitting waiting for the free sample person for days on end... and when they finally showed up the samples would only go to the first person who arrived.

Pretty much. It doesn't look like this game is going anywhere. There will be dragons next week and dragons the week after that. To say a rotation won't work is just wrong. If your arguement is for competition, guess what, they have a server for that.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you put in some time and track the mobs, and let the upper tier guilds know you would like a shot at mob X, that those guilds have offered to be accommodating. I have yet to see any of these smaller guilds do this though

I believe that the smaller guilds don't track and batphone and such because they don't believe it is worth it. The people who are willing to "put in some time" in order for a chance at a dragon/god kill have already joined TMO or FE.

The people who are left generally refuse to be miserable for days in order for 15 minutes of fun. They find other ways to have as much fun as they can on the server while hoping that eventually the mechanics that promote zerg guilds, tracking, and batphoning get changed.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is extending into R&F material, so i'm going to say let it go from this thread in the interest of the OP. My post, was that of my own opinion, not related to my guild. Please dont lump other's opinions in with mine, nor mine in with others. You can still remain somewhat autonomous within a guild.

Again I disagree vehemently but I'll drop it. Also, Tiggles does not speak for TMO. Zeelot is the only person that can approve TMO cooperation so this is all null and void until he (or his guaranteed representative) weighs in. I speak for BDA, and we'd like to see something better for the raid scene, but personally I feel that nothing will come from this. Just look at my post history, I've proposed infi ideas to fix things but no one wants to play ball.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much. It doesn't look like this game is going anywhere. There will be dragons next week and dragons the week after that. To say a rotation won't work is just wrong. If your arguement is for competition, guess what, they have a server for that.

My argument is simply for some level of effort to be put in, rather than sitting back and requesting that nobody else "camp" the free samples guy so that they can get a chance to speak to him first whenever someone "happens" to notice that he was around.

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll start with this: i'm not against the idea, and that I hope something can be worked out to make everyone happy...

But I gotta ask, and not in a flame way but in all seriousness:

Does this feel to anyone else like kids asking for a participant trophy because they didn't take 1st / 2nd place in some sporting event?

The world has gone soft in so many ways that we want to make sure everyone is happy all the time at everyone else's expense, and it really does bother me. Growing up, if we didn't win, we didn't get a trophy, plain and simple. Now days, everyone gets a trophy for the most mundane crap and it's ridiculous, all in an effort to make everyone happy.

It seems in its way, that even when I was a kid, we had to do something instead of just requesting that no other team was on the field so they could kick the ball toward the goal in the hopes of it going in.

I'm not saying that something cant or shouldn't be worked out, but it seems to me that these smaller / minor / family oriented type of guilds need to put in SOME kind of effort rather than just asking for everyone else to stop killing mobs so that they have a chance to do so. This is in essence what I am seeing being requested here.

It has been stated MANY times by top guilds on the server... TMO / IB / VD / FE / whomever... pick an abbreviation... that if you put in some time and track the mobs, and let the upper tier guilds know you would like a shot at mob X, that those guilds have offered to be accommodating. I have yet to see any of these smaller guilds do this though. Keeping in mind that this may not be the case with certain targets such as Trakanon or VP or something, but there are other targets out there like Talendor, Serverilous, Nobles, Inny, etc etc

I am all for everyone having fun, and everyone getting a chance to do something they might not normally get the chance to do, but the proposals I have seen thus far are simply asking the other teams to step off the field of play so that someone else can have a go at it.

Disclaimer: These are personal views, and not that of any guild, so please don't try to make the associations between my own views and that of the guild I belong to.

If we follow this logic, there shouldn't be seperate leagues. There shouldn't be distinction between men and women. "Sorry girlz, but you need to step up your game if you want to win that medal!".

It's a request to have a regular time window in which 2nd league guilds would be able to compete among each other. By investing so much time and effort, top guilds would still get to enjoy an overwhelming part of the content (we're talking non priority targets here ...). Which happens to be from a 13 y.o game on an emu server and now, we're pretty much all adults if I'm not mistaken. I don't see why we couldn't agree on something that trivial really.

Lastly, at the moment, no details were discussed on how would small guilds manage that window. So in my opinion, there would still be competition involved.

In conclusion, if that's what you want to hear, yes, players in smaller guilds don't come near the two current top guilds involvement. However, I didn't really see anybody claiming otherwise. And if you're "all for everyone having fun, and everyone getting a chance to do something they might not normally get the chance to do", then you should support this request too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The people who are willing to "put in some time" in order for a chance at a dragon/god kill have already joined TMO or FE.

The people who are left generally refuse to be miserable for days in order for 15 minutes of fun.

This is why this argument generally never goes anywhere. The people in TMO / FE / IB / BDA / etc have been WILLING to be miserable for days for those 15 minutes of fun.

Is it right? Is it wrong? Those are the decisions that those guilds have made for their enjoyment, 15 minutes at a time.

To now say, "step aside and let others not have to do the same thing for their 15 minutes of fun" is why this argument generally goes no where.

I'm not saying that something cant be worked out, just pointing out why this argument at least in my opinion generally fails.