Game Mechanics: Mage: Earth pet will not Root a Player with Sow.

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Bamzal Sherbet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think another part of the problem is the root proc rate - 100 times per minute?

this may be how it was on live. i remember my earth pet always keeping mobs rooted. this is going to be hard to get evidence for without cooperation from mages to do testing. not sure they are willing to get their own shit nerfed.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay so I'm looking into the earth pet situation. Before I waste a lot of time in the wrong areas, a few questions:

When you say it is never resisted. Is it truly NEVER resisted? Or is it extremely rare to resist?

Does the root resist problem exist with both low level mage pets and high level ones? EarthElementalAttack (low) vs. EarthElementalStrike (kunark lvl).

Does the root frequency problem exist with both low level mage pets and high level ones? EarthElementalAttack (low) vs. EarthElementalStrike (kunark lvl).

Do these same problems exist for PVE encounters on the pvp server, or only for PVP?

It is resisted, but even with 200+ MR it seems a 50/50 proposition at best, and anything lower than that and it's GG. I'm not sure what level pet the issue is with, but I know it definitely occurs with the high level kunark one. With the frequency, again I'm not sure about the low level one, but it certainly occurs very frequently with the high level one. The frequency wouldn't be an issue if the root was correctly resisted. Maybe this will be the chance we've all been waiting for, that ALL root spells are looked into.

[SamwiseRed]

ya i think nerfing the freq is a bad idea. thats one of the perks to earth pet in pve. the "root" of the problem is definitely the resists system in place.

[Nirgon]

Nerfing one thing or another is irrelevant, just go for the classic implementation. Works 100% of the time, every time.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay so I'm looking into the earth pet situation. Before I waste a lot of time in the wrong areas, a few questions:

When you say it is never resisted. Is it truly NEVER resisted? Or is it extremely rare to resist?

Does the root resist problem exist with both low level mage pets and high level ones? EarthElementalAttack (low) vs. EarthElementalStrike (kunark lvl).

Does the root frequency problem exist with both low level mage pets and high level ones? EarthElementalAttack (low) vs. EarthElementalStrike (kunark lvl).

Do these same problems exist for PVE encounters on the pvp server, or only for PVP?

It is resisted, but its rare to resist at around 150 MR (should be immune at that level of MR). Even with best in slot MR, you are almost permanently rooted. The frequency is high enough that even if you do resist it, by the time the previous root breaks another one is right behind it. There will be small breaks in between roots fading and landing where you can try to flee, but you are mostly locked down permanently.

Also, earth pet root (as well as all roots) overwrite snare and they shouldn't. They also overwrite spells like shaman torpor which they shouldn't. Basically anything with a snare effect will be overwritten by roots, but this should not happen. Don't mean to detract from the issue though.

[Nirgon]

From Lucy
Earth Elemental Attack:

pvpresistbase 50
pvpresistcalc 121
pvpresistcap -10

Earth Elemental Strike:

pvpresistbase 50
pvpresistcalc 121
pvpresistcap 12


Should the Kunark pets have different roots in classic trilogy? This guy doesn't remember here.. smells like some Sony garbage.

I think being a little harder to resist might make sense. But still, this was pretty freakin' easy to resist in live.

[SamwiseRed]

this isnt proof of anything other than you can be rooted with 200+ mr. just posting since server down. we were testing pet in between pulls. will work on a bigger sample size later. mage is lvl 53? pet is blue to me. (51 earth pet spell)

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tbh the most surprising thing is that it lasted full duration or w/e. at 200 mr even if root lands i would think it would wear off immediately. I resisted the first 2 but 3rd one stuck in case anyone wants to know how small this sample size really is (tiny)

[Tippett]

classic elemental model my dog

[Kringe]

Any news of this nilbog?

[Tippett]

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