Half of FE's monks are suspended, Loses Trak when they have to compete

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So now you agree with me, glad you learned something new today.

i don't agree with you. we got agro because those noobs died right in front of us before we had time to get out of agro range.

[maverixdamighty]

also btw, i'm not expecting nor would i want loot from this trak (like tmo did when a similar situation happened to them). Everyone knows the new agro radius and if you stay on that hill and there is a wipe you are going to get agro most likely.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

trak was agro from your fail attepmt. no other way to spin it once he passes that corner he is agro at poop hill.

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It wasnt about a gamble. We ALL got hit by the AE, and agro of Trak was dropped on us. Attempting to log off amidst Traks AE is suicide.

Originally Posted by Scowlie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, is that what happened? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your guild didn't train our raid to begin with, we would have killed Trak. You don't think it's obvious when your entire raid prepares opposite of the ledge and you have two people in TMO peering around the corner before you have the numbers to even engage? Then suddenly Trak trains on top of our entire raid... Anything after that fact is moot. Your entire raid should be suspended for that bullshit. Congrats on getting away with YET another train.

Also, good job trying to steal Sev on our engage. I'm sure your guild has already entered 10 petitions crying about it.

Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO engaged trak with 12, and then subsequently trained trakanon out of the lair into the FE raid force, why is TMO not suspended? Especially with a GM eyewitness.....and fraps to prove that trak was trained out fo the lair.

FROM ROGAEN CONCERNING GLOBAL SERVER RULES:

Training
Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules. This rule is not limited to the basic example given, as there are many different forms of training players will use. You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary. It is recommended that you take the death (Your responsibility for aggroing the mobs) and request a resurrection from nearby players.

If you happen to accidentally train a group of players, please immedietely notify the staff via /petition that you have done so by accident. Apologize to the players in question, and assist them with any recovery needed. If the staff hears about your train before you tell them, intention is no longer an excuse. (Repeated unintentional trains will still result in disciplinary action).

source: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2651

From the evidence gathered so far, tmo was responsible for trakanon + juggs that trained FE.

TMO had Trakanon "engaged" (they actually engaged protector and led trakanon around the corner to agro FE raid force) and subsequently trained another raid force with the mob during the engage.

These facts havent been in question. TMO agroed trakanon first and a raid force was trained as a result of their agro.

I made sure to bold everywhere you and your members were clueless on how aggro mechanics work and where you lied about where trakanon was.

After I enlightened your other members about how they were wrong, they then told me it wasn't about "being on the agro list" (when it was by their previous posts) it was about not being able to log out (which the fraps actually shows them having plenty of time to los trak and log).

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

trak never went to your raid force, your force went to trak. Trak was never aggrod on your raid force, your raid force aggro'd trak.

^still true.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made sure to bold everywhere you and your members were clueless on how aggro mechanics work and where you lied about where trakanon was.

After I enlightened your other members about how they were wrong, they then told me it wasn't about "being on the agro list" (when it was by their previous posts) it was about not being able to log out (which the fraps actually shows them having plenty of time to los trak and log).



^still true.

spin away. fact is you guys dropped trak where he would agro us. was our own fault doesn't change the facts.

[Autotune]

The only thing you might have is that Helicopter gained aggro after someone dropped it, but there is no fraps (yet) to indicate who trained helicopter (or if anyone did).

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

spin away. fact is you guys dropped trak where he would agro us. was our own fault doesn't change the facts.

Spinning? it's in the fraps and the aggro mechanics.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Spinning? it's in the fraps and the aggro mechanics.

so again tmo failed raid dies and members run out of lair and die within LOS of poop hill, but you feel if we had just sat there and camped we would have not had agro? got it!

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so again tmo failed raid dies and members run out of lair and die within LOS of poop hill, but you feel if we had just sat there and camped we would have not had agro? got it!

All you had to do is walk to one side or the other of poop hill and then camp, had more than enough time to do it (every fraps shows this).

I mean, when you're at the entrance of KC and you see a train coming, do you just stand there like a fucking moron and wait to die then petition? This is the exact same thing as what you and your guild have been saying (except Option, he actually told the guild to log out in one of the fraps).

Or how about when another guild kills CT and runs back to northwall to camp train aggro, do you just stand around as the other guild waiting to get trained so you can petition? Exact same thing.

If a GM was present, I'm sure they could have easily /assist trak to see who pulled trak down the path and could ban/suspend them for possibly training Heli (who actually just ran out into the open for whatever reason to grab aggro, learn to go under the water to LOS yo).

Unless Helicopter is your "entire raid force", your "entire raid force" didn't get trained.

Bad decisions and play calling cost your raid that target, not trakanon following and killing 1-2 people on his aggro list.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All you had to do is walk to one side or the other of poop hill and then camp, had more than enough time to do it (every fraps shows this).

I mean, when you're at the entrance of KC and you see a train coming, do you just stand there like a fucking moron and wait to die then petition? This is the exact same thing as what you and your guild have been saying (except Option, he actually told the guild to log out in one of the fraps).

Or how about when another guild kills CT and runs back to northwall to camp train aggro, do you just stand around as the other guild waiting to get trained so you can petition? Exact same thing.

If a GM was present, I'm sure they could have easily /assist trak to see who pulled trak down the path and could ban/suspend them for possibly training Heli (who actually just ran out into the open for whatever reason to grab aggro, learn to go under the water to LOS yo).

Unless Helicopter is your "entire raid force", your "entire raid force" didn't get trained.

Bad decisions and play calling cost your raid that target, not trakanon following and killing 1-2 people on his aggro list.

when you are at the entrance of kc do you get hit with ae's and it's possible to die before you even hit 30 seconds to camp? great analogy einstein.

[Autotune]

I'm 100% positive your guild called to engage, when they should have called to camp, because you believed that your raid gained aggro from LoS+AEs.