Drama

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Nocte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to admit that this is the opposite reaction I expected from my posted screenshots. I think my group threw out integrity and acted like a bunch of greedy children because the item in question was valuable.

That's bullshit, Nocte. Elisa was giving a play-by-play on the server camp rules in those screenshots. She/he knew exactly who had rights to the camp and when. There's a difference between "acting like greedy children" and being assertive and sticking up for your groupmates so you don't get walked all over by someone trying to play the "oh i claimed the camp cuz you left, but um, hey i left too but the camp is somehow still mine, remember that agreement we hadddddddddd??? right guys? right??????" game.

[Skope]

The rules are simple, if you zone out you lose the camp. That much should be clear. This should be restated for future reference in an attempt to clear any more cases like this that should certainly arise. If you leave the zone you lose the camp! If that's your strategy, then you need to tweak it in such a manner that you'll remain in the zone, and preferably in the area of your camp (which you should be anyway).

[President]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's good and dandy that some random person on the forums who wasn't involved is saying that, but let's go over it again.

Nocte, the cleric from the group in question, said he felt his group members were throwing integrity out the window and acting like greedy children. He has every reason to be biased in favor of the group, and he still says that. He was there from start to finish, saw every bit of group chat, etc. He's in a FAR better position to say how people were acting than either you or I are.

Nocte can say anything he wants. He thinks they were childish for taking the camp back from someone who took it from them. That his opinion, he can have it. It doesn't change the fact that the group watched Shewz zone twice before going after the king so that a MELEE GROUP MEMBER WHO NEEDED THE ITEM could use it INSTEAD OF AN ENCHANTER WHO TOOK THE CAMP FROM A CR'ING GROUP.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's good and dandy that some random person on the forums who wasn't involved is saying that, but let's go over it again.

Nocte, the cleric from the group in question, said he felt his group members were throwing integrity out the window and acting like greedy children. He has every reason to be biased in favor of the group, and he still says that. He was there from start to finish, saw every bit of group chat, etc. He's in a FAR better position to say how people were acting than either you or I are.

What level is your enchanter, soup? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[soup]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What level is your enchanter, soup? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

level 0

but making irrelevant assumptions about people is pretty cool I will admit

[President]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"oh i claimed the camp cuz you left, but um, hey i left too but the camp is somehow still mine, remember that agreement we hadddddddddd??? right guys? right??????"

I like this.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

level 0

but making irrelevant assumptions about people is pretty cool I will admit

I would say it is a fairly relevant discussion and explain a lot of your poor logic here where you feel that:

- somehow an enchanter taking a camp from a CRing group with a melee character who could use the mith 2h is magically not a douchebag move

- somehow an enchanter is allowed to zone and maintain a camp despite clear rules that dictate you must retain a presence at a camp to claim it

- somehow a group that claims the camp after the enchanter zones and gives up his presence at the camp are the douchebags in this situation.

And I understand exactly where Nocte is coming from, because I've been in his place before. I don't want to spend my time on EQ arguing or fighting over digital pixels. It makes me sick to my stomach when a situation like this comes up, because no matter how closely you try to follow the rules we have for these things, someone is always going to try to twist the rules in their favor and try to make you look like the douchebag. But I think it's weak to sell out his group for being "greedy children" when all they were doing was being mindful of the rules and not being spineless doormats about it.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like this.

I thought it was the best way to describe how ridiculous this looks from the non-enchanter point of view... haha

[Nocte]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But I think it's weak to sell out his group for being "greedy children" when all they were doing was being mindful of the rules and not being spineless doormats about it.

Sell out? I'm sorry, what exactly am I getting for posting this? I'm poor as hell in mediocre gear, and I've probably pissed off half the guild I'm still an app for, so how am I selling out? I didn't get shit except my name dragged through the mud for something I didn't want to be a part of.

Reputation is the only true currency we have here. Spend it wisely.

[Stepy]

"I have to admit that this is the opposite reaction I expected from my posted screen shots. I think my group threw out integrity and acted like a bunch of greedy children because the item in question was valuable."


In every group and guild there will be some macho posturing I don't let that be the foremost point of my opinion. The fact there was an attempt to be fair and patient, to an extent, and taking action when it seemed like the chanter was going to take attempt after attempt. It wasn't like the overall focus of the guild was to just take over the camp without consideration to the chanter.