Rolled a mage with my wife and...

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have two different accounts logged in from the same IP and you go AFK thats the risk you take if you are reported for boxing/suspicious behavior.

My post was not meant to imply that everyone that AFK's is boxing.

Logging out would give them absolutely NO TEMPTATION to box if their partner was AFK.

I'm sure a GM will make a mistake once or twice, but given their lengthy assessment of who was or was not boxing I simply find it hard to believe everyone in this thread is completely innocent.

Put away the tin foil hat and look at what you're saying.

Look back at your speeding analogy and read that post. Temptation? Ok, next will you recommend that nobody drive their cars because not driving will result in you not getting the chance to be tempted to speed?

Rediculous.

[Jetlag]

Hi gentlemen,

Forgive me for slightly de-railing, but this topic seems to garner a lot of attention and I wanted to ask:

Does the petition process for IP Exemption take long? I don't want to rush the administration, I am simply asking out of curiosity so I have a ballpark estimate.

Also, I haven't tried, but I assume without exemption, I will not be able to log-on simultaneously with my S.O.?

Thanks for your attention fellas. Any and all insight is most welcome.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Jetlag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hi gentlemen,

Forgive me for slightly de-railing, but this topic seems to garner a lot of attention and I wanted to ask:

Does the petition process for IP Exemption take long? I don't want to rush the administration, I am simply asking out of curiosity so I have a ballpark estimate.

Also, I haven't tried, but I assume without exemption, I will not be able to log-on simultaneously with my S.O.?

Thanks for your attention fellas. Any and all insight is most welcome.

My first try I got a response within 72 hours.

[Jetlag]

That's very fast!! Thank you Kagatob.

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Put away the tin foil hat and look at what you're saying.

Look back at your speeding analogy and read that post. Temptation? Ok, next will you recommend that nobody drive their cars because not driving will result in you not getting the chance to be tempted to speed?

Rediculous.

I didn't think it would be so hard to comprehend but apparently it was.

You are taking the Speeding analogy and blowing it way out of proportion.

You are driving your car
You are late being somewhere so you speed thinking you won't get pulled over
You get pulled over and get a ticket

You are playing with another person in the same place with an IP exemption
Your friend/spouse/etc steps away from their computer and you are about to die
You decide to play their character thinking you won't get caught
You get caught and then get banned

Boxing is illegal on this server no matter what you are doing just like speeding.

Come on, don't be so daft.

[tanknspank]

Death is not that big a deal, even in classic EQ, as to be worth loosing weeks, months or years of work on an account. What you are saying is like saying people should get ticketed because they have a job and might be tempted to speed and that if they are driving while having a job they should go 30 mph / 45 kph under the posted limit just because they have to be above suspicion. And even that is not a guarantee because someone could complain they cast too in sync, or have names/gear that are too similar.

But all that aside, since this is obviously such a huge deal to people that they immediately assume anyone who could be guilty is guilty, why not accept streaming (under certain criteria) as an official way to prove you didn't just jump over to the other computer, that your SO really is AFK and on follow, or that you both are sitting at your respective computers and casting your own spells and your 'synced casting' is just a result of random chance?

[Danth]

The use of vague or unrelated analogies often represents a sign that a person has difficulty expressing himself. Just say what you mean.

Guilty until proven innocent represents a poor mentality that isn't conductive to a good community or a healthy server. Usually it merely indicates a person who doesn't care about problems not directly affecting himself. I'm glad the staff knows better than to think that way.

I don't think there's any risk involved with going AFK in and of itself. My wife or I take multiple AFK's per hour (we have a small child in the house; we play mostly during sleep time but the baby often wakes up or whatnot). Of course when a character of ours is AFK it's really AFK--just sits there and doesn't do anything. Sucks for me when the wife has to AFK because then *I* have to sit there twiddling my thumbs since I can't really solo the kinds of monsters we fight. C'est la vie.

Risk appears when an AFK character mysteriously gets up to cast buffs or heals before going back AFK. While not necessarily proof of anything, such behavior seems shady as all heck. It gets all the shadier when the two characters never seem to use abilities at the same time. While such behavior doesn't absolutely prove anything, it's also living awfully dangerously. If you push the boundaries of the rules often enough, eventually the rules will push back.

If you're afraid of being potentially banned, I'll just say this: The wife and I have been here since the server opened (well, since "beta" technically"). That's more than three years ago. We're quite open about being a couple and as such attract some suspicion from cynical players. Despite that we've only ever had positive interactions with the staff.

It doesn't shock me that there are more exemptions than active players. A great many players apparently use a separate account for every character*, meaning a couple might end up with many exemptions. Figure for player turnover and add in a moderate number of genuine rule-breakers and you have a lot of exemptions.

*apparently I'm not too creative because all my characters are on the same account.

Danth

[Lagaidh]

I've gotten to page 3 and I see nothing has changed on the witch hunt front. I coach my wife on how to behave when we duo anymore. I've always been paranoid about us being painted as 2 boxing because of how it can look: I'm a paladin, she's a druid. One of us will be sitting an awful lot in a tank n spank scenario.

"Make sure you respond to any tells right away even if it's just to say "No. Sorry"".

"I have to go pee. Make sure you keep an eye for any tells and mention that I am physically afk, to return in just a sec..."

I'm always mentally sweating bullets if she needs to afk and I'm the only one of us that's at the keys.

It's a shame to need to worry so much. Hm. Could be a subject where I should quit reading the forums. I've not heard of one witch hunt scenario in-game... but then again... they'd be banned already.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The wife and I have been here since the server opened (well, since "beta" technically"). That's more than three years ago. We're quite open about being a couple and as such attract some suspicion from cynical players. Despite that we've only ever had positive interactions with the staff.

Ah. We've been around since 8/2010...

I should just chill. Our experience mirrors yours save that nobody has accused us of boxing. I've seen players get still and watch us without speaking when one or the other is on autofollow, but that's it.

[tanknspank]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're afraid of being potentially banned, I'll just say this: The wife and I have been here since the server opened (well, since "beta" technically"). That's more than three years ago. We're quite open about being a couple and as such attract some suspicion from cynical players. Despite that we've only ever had positive interactions with the staff.

That is really heartening to read. The earlier parts of the thread painted a very disheartening picture of what to expect if I convinced my wife to play P1999.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Risk appears when an AFK character mysteriously gets up to cast buffs or heals before going back AFK.

What classes do you guys play? I was considering a warrior+cleric or SK+cleric (my wife's an excellent healer in WoW and we like doing dungeons), but from what I remember cleric gameplay in EQ is very much CH, sit-and-med, repeat which may look extra suspicious.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A great many players apparently use a separate account for every character*, meaning a couple might end up with many exemptions.

What is the benefit of that?