stop bringing up the founding fathers in gun arguments

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There you go smart guy. Fixed that for you.

I see you've come to terms with it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by patriot1776 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

mexico has among the strictest gun control laws in the world and is in the middle of a fucking civil war.

Funded with guns and dirty money supplied by us over drugs supplied to us...but that's another argument.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

Nice linkage, Gloine. Whether or not it could happen here is something worth shooting for. The affirmation of skewed statistical data regarding attempts to overcome the Aussie argument is nice, tho.

Jon Stewart made a pretty good presentation a few days ago...

[Lexical]

Jon Stewart usually is a lot better and I don't really like his routine when he is appealing only on a moral level. Most people who are for much stricter gun control laws now seem to only be reacting to the recent mass shootings. Yes, these are terrible tragedies and steps should be taken to stop them from happening. The biggest problem is that the pro-gun control side is prying on your fear of guns by saying things like "shooting epidemics" and "rampant gun violence" which is just not true. The statistics have been shown on the pro-gun side with the facts being compared amongst multiple primary and unbiased sources in this thread while the pro-gun control side has been riddled with appeals to emotions. Here is another primary source that shows through multiple statistics that the homicide rate remained constant through the past decade: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/htus8008.txt

This article also illustrates a very interesting set of data however.

Originally Posted by ArticleLinked

Approximately a third (34%) of murder victims and almost
half (49%) of the offenders were under age 25.

It is the young that are committing these murders. Perhaps we should invest a little bit more money in public schools or help the impoverished or how about more outreach programs for these disturbed individuals?

Now, I am not a gun-nut. Never have been and never will be. I see many practical(for lack of a better word) to use a gun and I am sad that my side on the matter is saturated with these crazy gun nuts(See jon stewart video linked). Citing these raving lunatics and comparing the entire pro-gun side to them is a straw man argument and just illustrates how weak the actual pro-gun control position is.

[Kagatob]

US isn't #1 in the world in gun violence by a sight, anyone who believes otherwise is a masochistic retard. I'd say they are blissful in their ignorance but I don't consider reveling in your own fearmongering to be blissful.

[patriot1776]

we really don't give a fuck about it, comes with the territory of being a free society

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

US isn't #1 in the world in gun violence by a sight, anyone who believes otherwise is a masochistic retard. I'd say they are blissful in their ignorance but I don't consider reveling in your own fearmongering to be blissful.

No...we're just the most violent of first-world nations. But yeag, let's pat ourselves on the back and congratulate each other over not being as bad as say...Swaziland.

[patriot1776]

So glad I was born here where we aren't treated like slave children instead of socialist shithole Europe

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by patriot1776 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So glad I was born here where we aren't treated like slave children instead of socialist shithole Europe

Always Americans complaining about "Socialist Europe" or "Socialist Canada". Never Europeans or Canadians complaining about it.

[patriot1776]

Because you are serfs who do not know any better.

[Hollywood]

Originally Posted by EvilMallet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

founding fathers were profiteers who wanted to break off from the british to avoid taxes, and they lived in an era where owning a gun was your only method of protecting yourself and getting food.

Those men supported your right to bear arms because it meant you were very likely to kill some redcoats.

A) Someone's been playing Assasssin's Creed III too much.
B) Again why is this shit not in the general discussion forum?

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by patriot1776 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because you are serfs who do not know any better.

I live in Massachusetts...