What would you add to this group?

[Slave]

I too have to go off the path here a bit and just say, if the SK became a Warrior, well, they tank better (best) and do more damage. He will also level much much quicker. That's basically all the utility you need in a tank when you have a monk in the party too.

The ideal party makeup as the OP described would otherwise be:

Dark Elf or Halfling Cleric (for Hide/Darkness Necklace or Hide/Sneak)
Dark Elf Enchanter (for Hide)
Iksar Monk (for better survivability)
Barbarian or Halfling Rogue - best stats vs best exp
Ogre Warrior with all points in Dexterity
Troll Shaman of Innoruuk with all points in Stamina

Basically the only things you don't get with this is ports. (Oh no, 100pp!) Use damage shield potions on the warrior at higher levels.

[purist 4.0]

suggesting you pick like 3 races based on racial hide ability when op is planning to group to 60

lol

[Slave]

Originally Posted by purist 4.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

suggesting you pick like 3 races based on racial hide ability when op is planning to group to 60

lol

-Dark Elf is clearly the most superior Enchanter race in EverQuest because of this very ability. GGR is a disadvantageous item to have equipped while charming compared to HP/AC/CHA gear. Having to switch items out loses you the advantage that using the GGR would have afforded to begin with. Other races must purchase and equip GGR just to obtain the natural ability that Dark Elves can use instantly with zero gear.

-There is no reason for Cleric to not be one of these two races with Hide, as no other race brings another ability worth mentioning.

And as anyone with a brain knows, Hide is extremely useful for just taking a break. Which even people who group sometimes do. Obviously. So, your response begs the question, why are you such a ravening antiHideite?

[Splorf22]

I was actually planning to have the bard tank in my ideal group [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Maybe I got spoiled with my fungi, but: Lets assume all classes have their epic and the bard and shaman are both wearing a fungi tunic. The bard twists cantata, largos, psalm of mystic shielding, and (say) psalm of warmth.

IIRC thats (14+5)*1.8 = 36 regen from bard songs, 15 from regrowth, 15 from the fungi, and 8 natural (we'll assume ogre/barb shaman) so that is something like 75hp/tick of regen. Then we combine that with 14+11 = 25 mana/tick extra regen and the shaman will get 60+ mana/tick without ever sitting down. So all he has to do is keep the bard and enchanters up and the pets maloed which should be easy with that kind of manabattery. With 3x maloed charmed pets and a bit of bard dps this group can probably sustain ~400 or so, or about one mob every 15-20 seconds. So in Chardok that would be probably about 50-60 mobs per spawn. The only real challenge is keeping things straight with 5-6 mobs in camp at all times, but hopefully the shaman can shrink stuff [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Dark Team]

I would drop the monk, get a bard (bard is classic puller, better than monk in 90% of situations and ++utility) and a shaman. Unless evacs were needed, then bard and druid.

[purist 4.0]

Originally Posted by Slave

-Dark Elf is clearly the most superior Enchanter race in EverQuest because of this very ability. GGR is a disadvantageous item to have equipped while charming compared to HP/AC/CHA gear. Having to switch items out loses you the advantage that using the GGR would have afforded to begin with. Other races must purchase and equip GGR just to obtain the natural ability that Dark Elves can use instantly with zero gear.

-There is no reason for Cleric to not be one of these two races with Hide, as no other race brings another ability worth mentioning.

And as anyone with a brain knows, Hide is extremely useful for just taking a break. Which even people who group sometimes do. Obviously. So, your response begs the question, why are you such a ravening antiHideite?

none of what you said applies to grouping besides the enchanter and making the assumption he's going to charm in group

that leaves u recommending picking 3 races so when in a group u can put on hide when ninja afking to take a piss, and all i have to say to that is

lol

[Slave]

Originally Posted by purist 4.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

none of what you said applies to grouping besides the enchanter and making the assumption he's going to charm in group

that leaves u recommending picking 3 races so when in a group u can put on hide when ninja afking to take a piss, and all i have to say to that is

lol

So, translating your response, I get:

"Hide doesn't matter, when you're in a group, killing mobs and getting exp, which these guys are going to be doing 100% of the time exclusively."

See any flaw in that logic whatsoever?

What race better for Cleric? There isn't a logical choice other than Dark Elf and Halfling.

What race is better for Enchanter? Whatever race you just said has exactly the same abilities as a Dark Elf, except Hide, which is extremely useful to the Enchanter class.

[purist 4.0]

Originally Posted by Slave

See any flaw in that logic whatsoever?

naw my logic is pristine. thread title makes it pretty clear they're grouping

Originally Posted by Slave

What race better for Cleric? There isn't a logical choice other than Dark Elf and Halfling.

"what cleric is better" is whatever you think looks the coolest and feel like playing the most. not everyone chooses race based on your autistic min-maxing racial abilities

[Slave]

Originally Posted by purist 4.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

naw my logic is pristine. thread title makes it pretty clear they're grouping



"what cleric is better" is whatever you think looks the coolest and feel like playing the most. not everyone chooses race based on your autistic min-maxing racial abilities

So it's stupid to base your character race on power, you should choose whichever one looks the coolest.

Awesome, thanks for your input!

[purist 4.0]

hide adds 0 utility in a group setting for a cleric so no "power" to be considered

your tunnel vision with min-maxing points to some form of autism tho