Enchanter animations, when are they preferred over charmed mobs?

[Splorf22]

He's talking about before the Great Charm Nerf (about 1.5 years ago now) that Kanras did just after Kunark came out.

Also I <3 people who do experiments!

[A1551]

Experiment complete :P

So 100% confirmed there is no experience penalty in groups. Thanks to options the necro for assistance, and Hyasinth for heroing my lvl 1 pet. We both made brand new level ones (enchanters cuz apparently lvl 1 mages dont get pets who knew!?)

We did a few kills with him (no pet) killing level one mobs grouped with me, with him doing 100% of damage -- 5 or 6% per kill (due to rounding on duxaui display). Then we had my chanter animation solo some stuff doing 100% damage -- I did zero damage by finding decaying skellies who would just attack me and let pet do rest. Also got either 5 or 6% exp per kill. That's pretty much it right there -- grouped exp penalties for pets do not exist, even if pet does 100% of the damage. I also tried a few times just doing one hit on mob and letting pet do rest for sake of thoroughness -- 5 or 6% per kill.

Finally, I degrouped and tried soloing just to confirm the solo penalty is 50%, as sometimes Ive been told things like "it's actually 75% not 50%." Being solo and letting pet do 100% of damage -- once again netted me either 5 or 6% per kill. This makes perfect sense, as instead of splitting the exp with Options lvl 1 I was splitting it with my pet. Next, I dumped my pet and soloed some level ones -- lo and behold exactly 11% per kill.

To summarize -- there is no pet exp penalty in groups in any way, shape or form, even if pet does 100% of the damage.

-Propo Fol

[Servellious]

Chanter doesn't t want to charm? That's like a shaman not using canni. Just silly

[Vladesch]

Although I said that pets handle grouping the same as solo, ie if they outdamage the rest of the group then there is a penalty...
That is just what I have heard posted before.
I'm not totally convinced there is actually a penalty for being outdamaged by your pet. After much soloing using minimal spells myself (because I thought we got full xp for doing *any* damage) I seemed to be getting quite good xp anyway.

The zone modifiers are another possible myth. I did lots of soloing in loio with my druid (using a charmed pet doing over 95% of the damage) and the xp per kill was fine.

I wouldn't think the pet's proportion of xp is part of the data files anyway, so I am somewhat skeptical about the ability of this server to have specific rules. If they could change the program code then the sit-meditate thing would have been fixed.

[koros]

No offense Vlad, but every single thing you just posted is incorrect.

[rekreant]

Originally Posted by Vladesch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Although I said that pets handle grouping the same as solo, ie if they outdamage the rest of the group then there is a penalty...
That is just what I have heard posted before.
I'm not totally convinced there is actually a penalty for being outdamaged by your pet. After much soloing using minimal spells myself (because I thought we got full xp for doing *any* damage) I seemed to be getting quite good xp anyway.

The zone modifiers are another possible myth. I did lots of soloing in loio with my druid (using a charmed pet doing over 95% of the damage) and the xp per kill was fine.

I wouldn't think the pet's proportion of xp is part of the data files anyway, so I am somewhat skeptical about the ability of this server to have specific rules. If they could change the program code then the sit-meditate thing would have been fixed.

You sound like some Suit who watched a power point trying to tell people who have played on this server since its inception how the server works. Also your methods for determining fact or fiction seem to be more along the lines of "I got good xp anyway"... If you are a necro its quite easy. find mobs that con white. Kill with pet, record change in xp. Kill without pet, do the same, then compare. It is half xp since Im pretty sure you wont actually look at your xp bar.

[goshozal]

I like you, Propo. Anyone who answers questions by experiments over gut feelings is A+ in my book.

Also, isn't Hyasinth a doll? She was there for me on both the hard camps for my epic.

Maksim

[Vermicelli]

Originally Posted by Sadre Spinegnawer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

an enchanter in a well-rounded group

Making a group well-rounded does not necessarily mean dumbing down a part of the group. If you find it difficult to keep mobs charmed, bump your CHA. If you find it difficult to keep enough mana for buffs in addition to charming, use more Theft of Thought. If you find it difficult to survive charm breaks, cast Rune and memorize your Level 4 mez to cast after you Color Stun. Anything less is letting your team down =)

[A1551]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like you, Propo. Anyone who answers questions by experiments over gut feelings is A+ in my book.

Also, isn't Hyasinth a doll? She was there for me on both the hard camps for my epic.

Maksim

appreciate it -- I've heard different people swear there is and isn't a pet exp penalty in groups with absolute confidence so many times I just wanted to know for sure which it was [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And she sure is she ran all the way back to Neriak to buff the pet and all I would tell her was that it was for "very important science"

-Propo Fol

[fishingme]

Made an enchanter here once, leveled him to 60. Never ever noticed charm pet taking any xp while it did 100% of the damage. Unsure if it has changed in the past 8months or so however.