New (old school) opinion - Page 15

Yukface · #**141** 06-11-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mr.miketastic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is where the plethora of ad hominems from our OP occur.

You asked, so here you go:
"you think people are going to tolerate 15 afk losers sitting on a epic spawn"

"Sure keep people from being mega-douches like abacabb"

"you guys might want to go out and get real jobs, as opposed to playing a game all day and trolling forums."

"I shall immediately seek training in the ways of english... or as you would say it ...engrish

BTW assisting the lame argument of childishness with the even lamer English Police is like sooo classic EQ.. nice job!!!!"

"I am too old and grouchy to yell CC in shout when I see a named mob and none around
or to be held atbay while a guild full of Gimp zergs a mob simply
because they had 15 afkrs sitting in zone ...the fact that this fear of contest is so
strongly defended makes me want to puke....you guys play on classic eq server and run it like wowkins its frankly sad"

"Shit, I bet half you raiders can barely get mobilized and BUFFED in the time required to take down a mob spawn in classic EQ. "

"lol...i dont know whats funnier, the fact that someone with such low self esteem took the time to build that site..
or that you linked it. Go join a gym, youll feel better about yourself. honestly consider this some fatherly advice."

"I would say, stop posting in my thread cuz your a dumbass."

"Mr. Mikenoobtastic please stfu....you are a level 10 noob with like 20 posts...
go level or do what I am doing voice your opinion about the game, your BS in this thread is not needed or desired."

"I cant believe some of you guys allow this goon to speak, let alone defend him."

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Personal insults are not ad hominems unless they are used instead of creating an argument....those are all insults, my argument was made clearly... heres another insult (not a ad hominem, momo)... your a dumbass!

Qaedain · #**142** 06-11-2010, 01:48 PM

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

Yukface · #**143** 06-11-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Qaedain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

Common misconceptions about ad hominem

Gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an argumentum ad hominem or a logical fallacy.[5][6][7][8][9] The fallacy only occurs if personal attacks are employed instead of an argument to devalue an argument by attacking the speaker, not personal insults in the middle of an otherwise sound argument or insults that stand alone. "X's argument is invalid because X's analogy is false, there are differences between a republic and a democracy. But then again, X is idiotically ignorant." is gratuitously abusive but is not a fallacy because X's argument is actually addressed directly in the opening statement. "X is idiotically ignorant" is not a fallacy of itself. It is an argument that X doesn't know the difference between a republic and a democracy.
This is not to be confused with a true fallacy, which would be "X is idiotically ignorant [of politics], so why should we listen to him now?"
"In reality, ad hominem is unrelated to sarcasm or personal abuse. Argumentum ad hominem is the logical fallacy of attempting to undermine a speaker's argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument. The mere presence of a personal attack does not indicate ad hominem: the attack must be used for the purpose of undermining the argument, or otherwise the logical fallacy isn't there. It is not a logical fallacy to attack someone; the fallacy comes from assuming that a personal attack is also necessarily an attack on that person's arguments."[5]
"You are just an ignorant twit." This is an insult and it is abusive, but it is not an argument. Because it is not an argument, it cannot be a fallacy. Of course, that doesn't mean that such personal insults are OK - just that when they appear alone, they aren't logical fallacies.[10]

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mr.miketastic · #**144** 06-11-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Qaedain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

Another in a long litany of fallacies from the OP.

Ihealyou · #**145** 06-11-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Qaedain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, ad hominem is any argument that includes insults and belittling.

The distinction you draw does not exist.

From wikipedia:

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Gratuitous verbal abuse or "name-calling" itself is not an argumentum ad hominem or a logical fallacy. The fallacy only occurs if personal attacks are employed instead of an argument to devalue an argument by attacking the speaker, not personal insults in the middle of an otherwise sound argument or insults that stand alone.

If I were to say that your point is wrong because your evidence is unsupported and by the way, you're an idiot, it wouldn't be an ad hominem because I still made a valid argument. On the other hand, if I were to say that your point is wrong because you are an idiot, it would be an ad hominem.

Ihealyou · #**146** 06-11-2010, 01:57 PM

And we all quoted wiki. gg

mr.miketastic · #**147** 06-11-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From wikipedia:

If I were to say that your point is wrong because your evidence is unsupported and by the way, you're an idiot, it wouldn't be an ad hominem because I still made a valid argument. On the other hand, if I were to say that your point is wrong because you are an idiot, it would be an ad hominem.

Clearly the OP is way out of his depth.

Branaddar · #**148** 06-11-2010, 02:01 PM

I feel I must intrude on this philosophical / grammatical / omg-where's-my-dictionary / quick-lemme-google-what-the-last-guy-said "argument" by saying something.

You are all tards.

That is all.

PS: I am, too. I just thought I should throw something flame-like back into the argument.

Yukface · #**149** 06-11-2010, 02:03 PM

in actuality you will see that never once did I say something like...

Hey Mikenoobtastic, your a dumbass noob who doesnt know his ass from a hole in his head, and since you are only level 10 with 17 posts I dont really give a shit what you think about camping mobs.

I actually solicited his opinion on the argument, and insulted his lack of ability to do such.

Opposedly he immediately tried to degrade my posts value with the, you are sure to bring more douchebaggery like boneface, which is a PROTOTYPE Ad hominem.

spend less time reading forums and more time reading your 8th grade homework.

Yukface · #**150** 06-11-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mr.miketastic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clearly the OP is way out of his depth.

clearly I am the one out of my depth....you might want to go back to reading comprehension 101.