Server raiding scene saved!!

[bluejam]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys cry too fucking much. True story.

Wahhh, I want it to be such a way that is advantageous to me because we have shitty awareness, WAHHHH!

Man the fuck up.

If only I could find the thread were one or more of the TMO RNF patrol makes up a rule/rules to favour them.

[bluejam]

Fack me... randomly checked my post history from the golden age of drama pretty much exactly one year ago and behold:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=46059

[Versus]

Originally Posted by Lenin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is no longer necessary to have a force capable of killing raid mobs to receive loot. It is neither necessary to get exp on a kill to loot corpses. The only thing you have to do is get the first hit on a mob. I will post the proof below, and leave it to everyone else to discuss the direction in which they wish to take their FTE guilds.

TMO was awarded Trak loot by (GM) Sirken today after they disputed Trakanon. TMO wiped to Trak on a clean attempt with 27 people. BDA engaged Trak 20 minutes later with over 36 people. TMO had left Flippie (a monk) FD under Trakanon. Flippie then proceeded to pop back up and get the first hit on Trak when BDA went in to engage. TMO had 15 people rush in to hit Trakanon when BDA engaged. BDA group got exp. TMO looted 4 trak teeth, an SS BP, and bard guts with 15min left on Trak corpse before the GMs awarded the kill to TMO.

This is wonderful news. Guilds that could not consider themselves raiding guilds can now consider themselves FTE guilds. Everyone gets a shot.

Let it be known to all guilds that Trak is open game for FTE. I expect to see you all in seb within the next few days.

I hope I put forth the rules properly. Please feel free to clear up any ambiguities, GMs.

Welcome to the raid scene. I see you've had your head in the sand for the past year.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is pretty clear what happened today.

TMO got loot off Trakanon with 17 people at their peak engaged on him. These 17 people were the peak, not the force that ran in to engage a raid mob they planned to kill with their own guild. TMO had just wiped with 27 of these same people, so I would really love to hear the argument that it was a sufficient raid force.

I do agree that the 'sufficient raid force' concept is far too ambiguous to be able to fall back on as a rule, though. That is side-stepping the real issue here, however, which is:

1. Not only that TMO actually stoops so low as to have a monk pop up for FTE after they already had a legitimate shot without interference, but that they were actually found to be IN THE RIGHT for engaging in this behavior. Clearly, the rules need to be fucking rethought if this behavior is REWARDED.

2. The atmosphere which has been established on this server - that of rule-lawyering and ridiculous formalism - and its discontents.

3. The fact, based on these rulings, any guild is free to get FTE now as the OP has said. Once you run in with your raid force, you cannot simply 'back out' if someone else got FTE even if they dont have a sufficient force to kill it....let alone if they do.

The main problem is hypocrisy. BDA cries when shit doesn't go their way. You guys just got VS loots from having 5 people online with 1 second earlier FTE. The you cry here when we get fte a full 10 seconds before you, and call us shady?

TMO can easily kill trakanon with 18 people... however on the FTE we had 25 there. The reason we wiped in the first place is because we had no groups formed and engaged about 15 seconds after the "batphone". It was rushed for whatever reason. BDA then had 15 mins to engage and you didnt. Stop sucking.

[Daliant17447]

After TMO wiped, we should have given BDA a free uncontested shot at Trakanon and allowed them as much time as they needed to prepare. It would have been the moral and right thing to do. I am disappointed.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Rellapse5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All my guildies hate me on every server I play

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All you have ever needed to be awarded loot is the FTE.

Stupid fucks making stupid fucking threads per the usual.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this statement actually makes me sad, i wish that the server staff could see how bad these over lawyered rules are hurting the server. its situations like this that cause people to quit. its a shame that some sort of arrangement cant be agreed to that would benefit everyone. tbh it has nothing to do with this guild or that guild or what gm is in power, it has to do with exploitable loop holes in the current rule system

Bwaha, TMO wasn't the first guild to do the FTE snipes. Learn your history scrub.

[Mantel]

TMO was the first to do the harmsheild FTE lulz...

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Originally Posted by Mantel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO was the first to do the harmsheild FTE lulz...

First to engage a raid target with DA? I think not.