Staff - Players - TMO, a Treatise on the Future of the Server

[Tanthallas]

You really are pushing it now, arent you Nietche.

HOW CAN I PULL OFF OF 5 MALLET CLICKS WITH A CLICK OF A TEMP FLUX STAFF ????

Actually - I want you to tell me what in this game could pull off 5 mallet clicks so quickly? I am making popcorn now; cannot wait for this response.

Edit - this is not rants and flames. I am not sure if this is the appropriate place for this. I will move this to RnF if i get a reply to this particular conversation.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bi weekly *at least* Patch spawns and a short variance are classic? Sometimes you would get 2-3 repops a week on a blown patch.

How often did you get patches lol

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really are dumb, arent you Nietche.

HOW CAN I PULL OFF OF 5 MALLET CLICKS WITH A CLICK OF A TEMP FLUX STAFF ????

You are arguing semantics, ambrotos was not there the whole time. TMO had to fte and bda pulled it off. How you did it doesn't matter. Stay on point, troll.

[Atmas]

I think it was Sanluen (I could be wrong) who said a wizard and monk pulled Draco, which I thought was a little odd.

Anyway though, as you say it is pretty moot at this time. The reason it gets brought up is because TMO really just sat and did not interfere with you killing the mob though we were fairly certain we had FTE. I think it just became a bigger deal after subsquent disciplinary actions against TMO.

There aren't that many offenses against TMO by BDA, and if you eliminate conjecture the same is pretty much true vice versa. I can think of obviously at least once incident. It's not like BDA has been in the number two slot a long time and heads are bumped at every kill.

[Tanthallas]

Discussion moved to RNF

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it was Sanluen (I could be wrong) who said a wizard and monk pulled Draco, which I thought was a little odd.

Anyway though, as you say it is pretty moot at this time. The reason it gets brought up is because TMO really just sat and did not interfere with you killing the mob though we were fairly certain we had FTE. I think it just became a bigger deal after subsquent disciplinary actions against TMO.

There aren't that many offenses against TMO by BDA, and if you eliminate conjecture the same is pretty much true vice versa. I can think of obviously at least once incident. It's not like BDA has been in the number two slot a long time and heads are bumped at every kill.

Its just some VD hate culture spreading throughout the ranks.

[Ambrotos]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think Ambrotos was in the zone the whole time, if he was it would have been nice of him to mention something when Draco was being kited with 27 TMO and 10 BDA in the zone. I think he was there when the mob fell below the ground.

You are right though, I don't have any proof other than what I heard in vent. But you don't really have any proof either so /shrug.

I wish I was there for the entire event. I was cross between someone sending me a tell in eq that Draco spawned/Race, in the middle of another game, and some douchebag hitting my car in my drive way. When I arrived I saw Divinity in the zone only with 1 BDA. So off the bat I just assumed they were teamed up.

[Wed Jun 13 01:15:30 2012] LOADING, PLEASE WAIT...
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:43 2012] You have entered Plane of Fear.
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:44 2012] [GM] You are currently hidden to all clients
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:45 2012] Auto attack is on.
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:45 2012] You must first click on the being you wish to attack!
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:46 2012] Auto attack is off.
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:54 2012] You say, '#invul on'
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:54 2012] Ambrotos is now invulnerable from attack.
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:54 2012] Players on EverQuest:
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:54 2012] ---------------------------
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Denzig <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Azazel <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Wiggles <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Zophie <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:54 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Hangan <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:54 2012] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Ezekiel <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Wed Jun 13 01:15:54 2012] There are 6 players in Plane of Fear.

[Wed Jun 13 01:19:15 2012] Players on EverQuest:
[Wed Jun 13 01:19:15 2012] ---------------------------
[Wed Jun 13 01:19:15 2012] [58 Troubadour] Arconis (Wood Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Wed Jun 13 01:19:15 2012] [60 Grandmaster] Quizy (Human) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:19:15 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Denzig <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:19:15 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Azazel <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:19:15 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Zophie <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:19:15 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Hangan <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:19:15 2012] There are 6 players in Plane of Fear.

As for the pulling off the train this is all I had. I had ported to Draco and had to head outside @ 23:51 right after I did a guildstatus on someone running with the train with the BDA bard.

[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] Players on EverQuest:
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] ---------------------------
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [59 Templar] Iddy (Gnome) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Puurfectcat <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Assassin] Supaskillz (Halfling) <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Joroz <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Hierophant] Twaila (Halfling) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Artaxerxius LFG
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Sorcerer] Atmas (High Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [56 Templar] Areyleun (High Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 High Priest] Desmo (Human) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Skullmonkey <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Crusader] Hammer (Dwarf) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Astizen <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Xerxes <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Beverage <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Phatboil <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Hierophant] Aquelin (Skeleton) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Cladrik <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Lacie <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Hierophant] Knix (Half Elf) <The Mystical Order> LFG
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Oracle] Ogben (Ogre) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Korrath <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Arkyiane <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Froovy <The Mystical Order> LFG
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Phantasmist] Zenorek (Gnome) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Sorcerer] Hookrs (Erudite) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Oracle] Vostok (Barbarian) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Warlock] Altrum (Gnome) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Sorcerer] Acillatem (Human) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Necrious <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Warlock] Ingrid (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Arch Mage] Marmo (Gnome) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Utalnayan <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Warlock] Nietche (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Jintsu <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Grandmaster] Silentone (Human) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Grandmaster] Jjlent (Human) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Warder] Internode (Wood Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Grandmaster] Reptak (Iksar) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Wiggles <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Virtuoso] Yibz (Half Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [58 Troubadour] Arconis (Wood Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [60 Grandmaster] Quizy (Human) <The Mystical Order>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Denzig <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Azazel <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Zophie <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Hangan <Divinity>
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:24 2012] There are 46 players in Plane of Fear.
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:35 2012] Vostok begins to cast a spell. (Cannibalize III)
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:36 2012] Desmo begins to cast a spell. (Aegis)
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:39 2012] Desmo's casting is interrupted!
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:39 2012] Vostok begins to cast a spell. (Cannibalize III)
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:41 2012] Teleporting to a_dracoliche000.
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:44 2012] You were hit by non-melee for 2 damage.
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:44 2012] YOU were injured by falling.
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:44 2012] Your GM status protects you from 2 points of type 252 environmental damage.
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:48 2012] You were hit by non-melee for 39 damage.
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:48 2012] YOU were injured by falling.
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:48 2012] Your GM status protects you from 39 points of type 252 environmental damage.
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:57 2012] You were hit by non-melee for 2 damage.
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:57 2012] YOU were injured by falling.
[Wed Jun 13 01:21:57 2012] Your GM status protects you from 2 points of type 252 environmental damage.
[Wed Jun 13 01:22:03 2012] You were hit by non-melee for 1 damage.
[Wed Jun 13 01:22:03 2012] YOU were injured by falling.
[Wed Jun 13 01:22:03 2012] Your GM status protects you from 1 points of type 252 environmental damage.
[Wed Jun 13 01:22:39 2012] Silentone shouts, 'PULL it off the train'
[Wed Jun 13 01:22:42 2012] Silentone shouts, 'or we will'
[Wed Jun 13 01:23:11 2012] Desmo shouts, 'Tick tock tick tock tick tock'
[Wed Jun 13 01:23:33 2012] You were hit by non-melee for 45 damage.
[Wed Jun 13 01:23:33 2012] YOU were injured by falling.
[Wed Jun 13 01:23:33 2012] Your GM status protects you from 45 points of type 252 environmental damage.
[Wed Jun 13 01:23:51 2012] Yibz is a member of The Mystical Order.
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:02 2012] a dracoliche's casting is interrupted!
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:03 2012] a dracoliche begins to cast a spell. (Boil Blood)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:04 2012] Artaxerxius says out of character, 'you guys need to pull it'
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:09 2012] a dracoliche begins to cast a spell. (Heart Flutter)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:12 2012] a dracoliche's casting is interrupted!
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:17 2012] a dracoliche begins to cast a spell. (Heart Flutter)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:20 2012] a dracoliche's casting is interrupted!
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:31 2012] a dracoliche begins to cast a spell. (Heart Flutter)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:36 2012] a dracoliche begins to cast a spell. (Boil Blood)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:43 2012] a dracoliche begins to cast a spell. (Boil Blood)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:44 2012] Xyphon begins to cast a spell. (Celestial Elixir)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:45 2012] Scorchin begins to cast a spell. (Lure of Frost)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:46 2012] Dinen begins to cast a spell. (Superior Healing)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:47 2012] a dracoliche regains concentration and continues casting.
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:48 2012] Astizen begins to cast a spell. (Lure of Flame)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:49 2012] a dracoliche begins to cast a spell. (Disease Cloud)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:50 2012] Serpator begins to cast a spell. (Siphon Strength)
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:50 2012] A dracoliche is weakened by the Rage of Vallon.
[Wed Jun 13 01:24:50 2012] Cladrik scores a critical hit! (126)

The only thing I could see off that was the first melee hit/casts onto draco. I saw no other spells cast or melee hit in my chat logs. Even people casting mallets or right clickies show up in my spell spam.
Between seeing that, and the train not go after anyone else when they wiped, I could only go off of they had agro and no one tagged. There was nothing else I could look at. The log system was broken, and the events during that time aren't even showing. So when I went to go check to see if they did have FTE/Agro after it went under the world. Was nothing to see. That's when I went to IRC to ask the opinions from the staff, and they said let bda have a chance to take it. I talked to the only person from TMO who took claim as a raid leader and they said they had no issues, and wished them luck. There was no question raised as to who had fte, only they trained around too long.

This is where I finally said enough of the training crap. There had been mixed rulings in the past about if you trained Draco, it wasn't counted as FTE. There was no clear way to see who had FTE. It was whoever got it to the camp. So the rule was made no more training him around, and we won't have that issue.

So to say TMO or BDA didn't/did have FTE is a guess work at best from the tools that I had available and saw in my own chat logs. So to try and old the draco situation over peoples heads is pointless.

[Wed Jun 13 01:31:23 2012] TMO guild member tells you, 'give it to bda ... It popped under the world it was thiers'

[Wed Jun 13 01:35:20 2012] Appointed TMO raid leader tells you, 'remind them afterwards to not kite stuff till their force arrives =p. we let them take the chance they shouldn't have gotten'

If TMO would have pulled Draco off of the train and killed him, I'd have said good stuff since that's how it was ruled a few times in the past. BDA would have cried that they had FTE due to training and I'd have told them tough shit. The situation is prevented from happening again at least due to training. So something other than hurt butts came out of it.

TL/DR

Move on, don't even bring up Draco from either guild. Simple communication between Guild Leaders/Raid Leaders would lead to situations that can be defused by them, and no server rules being broken in the process.

[Xadion]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... hurt butts ...
.

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I logged on just to post this...indeed.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How often did you get patches lol

It was povar. the rustbucket. Sometimes you had to kick it a few times to get it running.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How often did you get patches lol

You can go through patch history during the classic period and see how often patches happened on average (http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/19992002.php). Last I checked it was something like once every week and a half for content patches, but I could be remembering wrong. That's a lot compared to p99 where patches seem to happen every two months, and sometimes without a full repop.