Two-Boxing

[Flash]

If you want an example of why multi-boxing is a bad thing, go play on PEQ Grand Creation for a while. While there may be 200 or so players on at a given time, that number is realistically more like 40 or 50 at most, with people 4, 5, or even 6-boxing an entire group of toons. I saw one guy run through PoK boxing TWENTY FOUR different toons, all by himself. He was a one-man raid basically.

Sorry, but if you don't have the time and commitment to be dedicated to a single toon for the long haul, this server really isn't for you.

[Liukang]

Originally Posted by Flash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want an example of why multi-boxing is a bad thing, go play on PEQ Grand Creation for a while. While there may be 200 or so players on at a given time, that number is realistically more like 40 or 50 at most, with people 4, 5, or even 6-boxing an entire group of toons. I saw one guy run through PoK boxing TWENTY FOUR different toons, all by himself. He was a one-man raid basically.

Sorry, but if you don't have the time and commitment to be dedicated to a single toon for the long haul, this server really isn't for you.

the thing about PEQ is that u can use programs to box here u cant use them programs there for noone in their right mind would box that many and it should be 2 TWO TOO TO box only no more than 2 i think wouldnt hurt a damn thing

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Flash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want an example of why multi-boxing is a bad thing, go play on PEQ Grand Creation for a while. While there may be 200 or so players on at a given time, that number is realistically more like 40 or 50 at most, with people 4, 5, or even 6-boxing an entire group of toons. I saw one guy run through PoK boxing TWENTY FOUR different toons, all by himself. He was a one-man raid basically.

Sorry, but if you don't have the time and commitment to be dedicated to a single toon for the long haul, this server really isn't for you.

So because some few people take it to extremes it is a bad thing? There is ONE guy I have seen who six boxes on Al'Kabor, and he is probably the friendliest guy on the server. Always keeps a bazaar mule stocked with pet items for like 5pp, and gives out free MGB buffs 3 or 4 times a day.

Besides, with the server IP exemptions they could easily allow strictly two-boxing without the one man raids. Each account gets an ip exemption, use it if you like. It still wouldn't allow you to three box.

[Flash]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So because some few people take it to extremes it is a bad thing? There is ONE guy I have seen who six boxes on Al'Kabor, and he is probably the friendliest guy on the server. Always keeps a bazaar mule stocked with pet items for like 5pp, and gives out free MGB buffs 3 or 4 times a day.

Besides, with the server IP exemptions they could easily allow strictly two-boxing without the one man raids. Each account gets an ip exemption, use it if you like. It still wouldn't allow you to three box.

Because some people opt to box their own toons instead of grouping with other people who don't, it actually hampers the group seeking aspect of the game, and it that case, yes, it would be a bad thing.

If P99 allowed two-boxing, I guarantee you'd see camps that would normally have a full group occupied by one guy boxing two-toons, probably a Monk/Shaman. Leveling and grouping would be HARDER for most people, not easier.

[Wildir]

The problem is lack of pick up groups, if the groups were available then I can see no boxing. I can go to Sebelis and sit there for over an hour without ever getting a group. On live, there were 5 to 7 groups in there normally all night long. Same can be said for any of the classic exp zones, there just is not open groups to join up with. They normally save openings for guild members or friends only. Wait till Velious comes out and everyone is spread out even further.

It would be interesting to see how the server would vote on it at this point in time.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Flash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because some people opt to box their own toons instead of grouping with other people who don't, it actually hampers the group seeking aspect of the game, and it that case, yes, it would be a bad thing.

If P99 allowed two-boxing, I guarantee you'd see camps that would normally have a full group occupied by one guy boxing two-toons, probably a Monk/Shaman. Leveling and grouping would be HARDER for most people, not easier.

I totally disagree. Say you have two guys who log on within an hour of each other. Neither can box. Both stay logged on for about 15 minutes trying to find a group. Give up and log out to play something else.

Now same two guys are both able to two box. First guy logs in, can't find a group, just sits at an easy camp pulling xp mobs.

Other guy logs in a half hour later, sees someone two boxing. Asks if he wants to join up to take out some harder named mobs...

[Liukang]

sounds like EQ classic to me

[Sethius]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other guy logs in a half hour later, sees someone two boxing. Asks if he wants to join up to take out some harder named mobs...

Idealism does not always translate to reality, and I suspect that the reality is that two-boxing would be used for power leveling more than anything. Either way it cannot be proven, and I don't think I want to find out how it would/could be abused by this server...

Regardless, it is Sunday evening right now and there is currently 424 people online, so I think unless we start seeing peak evening population drop down to below 100 people we should not even consider boxing. The true grouping classic experience is what draws a lot of the crowd here, and even if groups can be hard to find sometimes, they still happen fairly regularly. The boxing rule being lifted could possibly drive more people away.

Also, I recall on live sitting in dreadlands calling out in general lfg for hours on end back in the kunark era. Remove the rosy glasses of remembrance and realize that finding a group wasn't easy even in those days (especially without a guild). It took work and patience.

Not many people on this server seem to be willing to shout out that they are lfg like we all did back on live, and if they do here, they give up after like 2 shouts. The reality is that you have to wait in a game like this, as people come and go and the group situations change. This isn't wow, and there is no lfg finder. I played SWTOR for most of this year, and people complained about never being able to find a group (no lfg finder there either), despite there being almost 300 people on the fleet on my server in the evening. I kid you not: I never heard one person shout lfg and when I checked the lfg flags, you'd rarely see more than 1 or 2 people using it out of the 300.

[Danyelle]

Boxing has nothing to do with Modern or Classic. People could, and did, box during Classic. It was only rarer because most people's PCs back then couldn't handle more than one EQ client. And the client sucked ass during that time in regards to tabbing and how it handled with the rig. Not to mention the ever present fact that people would have to pay for each account/character. They don't have to do that now either.

Just because it is more prevalent now than it was back then doesn't mean it is limited to the modern era. Thus the "It's Classic" argument is void. In fact it's more true to say IP limits are NOT Classic as Verant/Sony never had those in place.


Just saying.

[pharmakos]

boxing ruined the Progression servers on EQLive imo

on a good night on Vulak there'd be less than 200 accounts in general chat. i personally knew several six-boxers.

early in the morning on a bad day there would less than 100 accounts in general chat.

i for one get really frustrated when i can't form a group with my warrior, but in the long run i am glad that this server only allows single boxing.

430 individuals playing on p99 blue right now btw.