Would EQ be better off without GMs?

[Corrodith]

Originally Posted by Razdeline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looks like a classic outcry in reaction to TMO's recent wrist slapping.

Nope just serious philosophical question raised for some interesting discussion. Decent arguments so far. It's a tough question. Obviously RL works far better without rulers: "GM powers" are incredibly destructive in RL.

At least in EQ they don't tax your platinum!

Also as part of this discussion, what are some ways we can solve problems better without involving GMs? Being more active about creating blacklists for known trainers/ks'ers? Possibly guilds using organized trade sanctions between each other? In exhaustion of all other options there are always player duels. These efforts could be organized through forums.

Seems like the community could get a lot more creative with things here. Has anyone ever played a mmorpg where people did organize more creative ways to enforce basic "play nice" rules without GM intervention?

Interested to hear people's input.

[azeth]

Yes, the server would be better off without in game guides/GMs enforcing rules.

Temporarily I imagine the server would see mass griefing/training etc. However, I personally think these shenanigans would only strengthen guilds by promoting a "us versus them" mentality.

It's unnecessary for Ambrotos to pop into Fear to rule on XYZ event. How about, whichever group gets the exp wins? Don't like it? Don't show up.

[azeth]

I will never understand why the guides/GMs on P99 bothered to walk the fine line of hard ass & man-of-the-people.

If you're going to punish people for infractions, then punish them.

ie. petition & proof of intentionally training another guild - random equipped item deleted.
2nd offense - 2 items deleted
3rd offense - 6 month suspension

Hell, how about proof of ninja looting/griefing = character deletion.

[azeth]

Apologies for the 3rd consecutive post, kind of bored this morning at work.

Anyways, I'm sure many folks remember the DA/Transcendence Innoruuk poopsock fest. DA and Trans camped out on the spawn point, neither really had appropriate claim with proof of who was their first. Inno popped, my DA DPS group got the kill, looted & scooted. A moment later Rogean ruled that Transcendence was etitled to the loot.

Hey how about this wild idea, since DA and Transcendence just wasted your time Rogean, how about delete all of Innos loot, suspend us both?

This is why folks never could get behind GM decisions. 99% of the time the result was just nonsensical and favored one guild.

[Corrodith]

I think VP (when there were 2 guilds that could compete there) was an excellent case in point for how lack of GM involvement leads to player agreements. There were no holds barred. If you wanted to hold your own there you had to have an organized raid force capable of dodging another guild's trains and staying alive. There were times where it was chaotic at the beginning, but then the establishment of stalemate as it proved too difficult for either IB or TMO to kill dragons in the presence of each other's trains. Clearly, eventually dragons would have died, but it would have proved to be far more inconvenience than it was worth, so a rotation was worked out that lasted many months.

Later on, another guild tried to enter VP. In a trial by fire it was determined that their raid force did not have the organization to survive in VP long enough to attempt a dragon. Thus, no rotation.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Temporarily I imagine the server would see mass griefing/training etc. However, I personally think these shenanigans would only strengthen guilds by promoting a "us versus them" mentality.

This, it worked for years on fennin ro, and fennin ro probably has some of the strongest across guild relations that last till this day.

[SamwiseBanned]

I think the main prob is the quality of GMs we have. this is not a troll but ive seen a certain GM completely fly off the handle. Rogean needs to find someone who has no involvement in the project and someone who is fair and impartial. the fact that rules very per gm and the punishments range from slap on the wrist to guild deletion proves they cannot enforce or maintain order in a fair way in raid zones. this isnt an attack on the staff but compared to live the gms here feel like 12 year old modding a yahoo chat room.

[SamwiseBanned]

*compared to live, the GMs here fk no edit button

[Artah]

This is a tough question because we need GMs for all kinds of reasons but micro managing 30 year old cry babies shouldn't be one of them.

[Hitchens]

I don't see how this would work in a setting where there are no direct consequences to actions. It would work on a red server, not on a blue.