Game Mechanics: Dual wield is not classic

[Kirdan]

Originally Posted by Kraun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DW requiring the mainhand to swing was always a myth and proven wrong. Put a non melee weapon mainhand and watch as your offhand will still swing. Another way i remember it being tested was wurmslayer mainhand fs dagger offhand and the offhand swinging twice for every mainhand swing.

This is how I remember it, but I didn't really start playing until Velious. The reason low delay weapons were best for mainhand was the more frequent application of the damage bonus, not for extra dual wield checks. The rule of thumb was lowest delay mainhand, best ratio offhand.

[Pyrocat]

Originally Posted by Jify [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Close, but not exact:
http://web.archive.org/web/200105300...&Class=Warrior


Q: Does a warrior get double attack with off hand when duel weilding?
A: Yes. But since you must first roll a successfual dual attack, and then roll a double attack, its frequency does not become apparent until higher levels.

ie: Your mainhand must swing before you get a chance of swinging your offhand.

I don't think your IE follows. That statement in no way implies that a dual wield check happens based on the mainhand. He doesn't state what triggers rolling a successful dual attack.

[Pyrocat]

There's also this thread:

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...read.php?t=119

there was a test way way way back in the day with a lammy in secondary and shimmering partisan in primary. the lammy even swang when the shimmering partisan didn't. but yes get something with a good ratio. like jarsath trident i picked up for 40pp!!

put a wurmslayer in main and a lammy in off and you can watch the offhand swinging independantly. the reason ratio is so important over speed in offhand is because there is no damage bounous, so you want it to the best weapon it can be for the most dps/taunt/whatever.

The shortest test is put a GLS mainhand and whatever weapon you want off

[letsdance]

the OP is right. i was just reading that it was implemented differently here and wondered. i am 100 % sure because this was the (not too long) first time when i bothered about such mechanics and spend much time with them. it is also how it was intended (since this has been questioned in this thread).

i tried but could not find any data to back it up. though, of course, the data found on the net is flawed anyways because many "wrong facts" have been known have been known back then (like jig of vigor boosting mana regen *lol*). for example i have found a few sites that claimed, dual wield was always only triggered when you swinged with your main hand (which is wrong of course because it was only until lvl 30).

all these posts that people quote here to prove differently do not talk about any levels and are from far later times in EQ when anyone got to lvl 30 alot faster and below lvl 30 wouldn't really bother. i assume (like all info that i found) that those people are all above lvl 30 and therefore it works differently.

[Pescador]

lol....

How do you explain people who used wurmy in mainhand and something fast (like lupine dagger) in offhand? Do you really think the dagger could only swing when the wurmy swings? Anyways, it's been well researched and documented that weapons work independently. Check these forums or steel warrior archives or monkly business archives etc.

[letsdance]

as far as i read in this forum, nothing is proven at all. everyone who finds a "proof" that dual wield worked as it is implemented here, links something that is posted by high levels (where dual wield indeed works this way) at much later points of time when lvls below 30 didn't matter.

to answer your question: i explain this by these people being higher than lvl 30.