Daliant admits to RMT, will GMs even ban someone who openly admits it?

[inyane]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FYI: to the idiots who keep posting shit like "OH GMS NOT DOING ANYTHIGN ABOUT RMT BURN IT DOWN"

you people are stupid.

I want to remind you of a few things.
1. we don't have a public ban list and NEVER WILL.
2. WE NEVER comment on discipline in public arenas.
3. I am not going to come to you every time I ban someone.
4. unless you play EQ from my lap - you don't know who the fuck IS or isn't banned. so STFU.

why all the secrecy? so discipline can be selectively enforced, and nobody will know one way or the other?

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by inyane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why all the secrecy? so discipline can be selectively enforced, and nobody will know one way or the other?

It's not secrecy. It's just none of your fucking business. There was no public tribunal on eqlive.

If you have something legitimate to report, report it.

[Daldolma]

I don't really understand the purpose of the non-disclosure, either. It's the type of policy that sounds good, but doesn't accomplish any goal. If people are being banned for RMT, boxing, ShowEQ/MQ, etc, you should let the server know about it so as to discourage others from following suit. As things stand, just about everyone knows a few players who cheat or a few accounts that were RMT'd, but nobody really hears about anyone ever being banned. That creates the impression that cheating is widespread and punishment is non-existent.

And I don't really understand the calls for legitimate reports, either. Just as an example, Richgirl is clearly Plat Lord. Uthgaard has confirmed this, and while I realize Uthgaard's word isn't being taken at face value around these parts anymore, he's hardly the only person that knows. And yet, Richgirl's p99 forum account is still in use. In fact, it just sold a Pre-nerf Fungi Staff for 800k. That's not a transaction that should be difficult to track; that platinum shouldn't be difficult to remove. And if there was no such transaction, it shouldn't be hard to find a list of pre-nerf Fungi Staffs that were traded in the past two weeks. If you want to throw me access to the logs, I'll find it for you. If RMT were a priority of server staff, cutting the head off the snake (Plat Lord) would be a really good way to get started. Instead, these deals are going down on p99's very own forums.

It's not so much that RMT happens that is fueling this new anti-RMT sentiment. It's that it's happening in plain sight. EVERYONE knows that IB's guildbank was RMT'd, and that many of their core members are cutting their loot/chars and RMT'ing them. Hell, this is the kind of thing that former IB members will confirm for you. We're not talking about a set of fine steel weapons and 400 platinum changing hands. We're talking about transfers of rare god/dragon loot and hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of platinum at a time.

[Nirgon]

I wish Nilbog was psychic.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not secrecy. It's just none of your fucking business. There was no public tribunal on eqlive.

There also wasn't a pervasive perception that the staff was silently complicit in the RMT trade, at least not that I remember.

Also, you self-righteous prick, it is all of our business. You aren't the only one investing time here, nor money. This level of RMT will shut this server down. I for one would like to know what's being done about it because I've stopped trusting the staff here implicitly since you're either silent or petulant, every one of you, all the time. Maybe hire a community liason who comes out of their basement every so often and thus knows how to communicate amongst real people without just patronizing and pissing off the folks supporting your project.

Of course, there is some question what really supports this project these days, isn't there? Well dudes, that question only gets louder the quieter you become.

Server seems to be in a stage of terminal mismanagement for the past few months, particularly when it comes to community relations. Part of the problem is that Rogean is the only staff member with any tact or charisma, and he's pretty much MIA compared to how involved he used to be around here.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As things stand, just about everyone knows a few players who cheat or a few accounts that were RMT'd, but nobody really hears about anyone ever being banned. That creates the impression that cheating is widespread and punishment is non-existent.

Yes, they do. They just refuse to recognize/believe it when we say it. We have consistently said we ban players. You know what impression would be created if we did publish a list of banned players? Unfortunately, it would be something like favoritism. Person A and B were banned, but person C wasn't! What is this, corrupt corrupt etc. This already happens.

And I don't really understand the calls for legitimate reports, either. Just as an example, Richgirl is clearly Plat Lord. Uthgaard has confirmed this

Confirmed is a bit too strong of a word. Uthgaard was in a position for a long time where he could have banned and did ban many players. If there was incontrovertible proof, then it would be handled the same as anyone else. Perhaps it's being handled now? If you have additional evidence, petition it.

In fact, it just sold a Pre-nerf Fungi Staff for 800k. That's not a transaction that should be difficult to track; that platinum shouldn't be difficult to remove. And if there was no such transaction, it shouldn't be hard to find a list of pre-nerf Fungi Staffs that were traded in the past two weeks.

This indicates that any high platinum trade is RMT. That simply isn't the case. If it was sold for money, it would be an illegal transaction.

If RMT were a priority of server staff, cutting the head off the snake (Plat Lord) would be a really good way to get started. Instead, these deals are going down on p99's very own forums.

While it isn't my #1 priority, I consistently help write and run queries with the goal of finding illegal transactions. Before someone blows up and says it should be my #1 priority, no it should not. My priority is the recreation of classic everquest. In fact, anything that isn't a bug report completely detracts from this goal. It IS worked on though. <- This is where you should believe me. If you don't, there's little I could say that will change your mind.

And btw, I'm tired of hearing and seeing everything about RMT and platinum and character sales. You might soon see a complete abolishment of any character sales for platinum on the forums. It might happen elsewhere, but whatever, I've always said I frowned upon it anyway.

It's not so much that RMT happens that is fueling this new anti-RMT sentiment. It's that it's happening in plain sight. EVERYONE knows that IB's guildbank was RMT'd, and that many of their core members are cutting their loot/chars and RMT'ing them. Hell, this is the kind of thing that former IB members will confirm for you. We're not talking about a set of fine steel weapons and 400 platinum changing hands. We're talking about transfers of rare god/dragon loot and hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of platinum at a time.

If there is proof of this, submit it. Submit to me personally if you'd like. If someone has this proof in a petition, screenshots, logs, paypal logs and conversations, and we do NOT act on it, there would likely be rants and flames indicating how we suck, with that information attached. There's a reason you never see something like that though.. and its because we do act on information when it's given to us. :P

Like the RMT discussion the other day, which happened in the public arena... Evidence was submitted and it was handled. Because it happened in public, there was a huge outcry about how we don't do shit. Just because the public doesn't see a head on a spike doesn't mean anything. That is merely ONE instance of what happens when the public gets ahold of information.

[bylbob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really understand the purpose of the non-disclosure, either. It's the type of policy that sounds good, but doesn't accomplish any goal. If people are being banned for RMT, boxing, ShowEQ/MQ, etc, you should let the server know about it so as to discourage others from following suit. As things stand, just about everyone knows a few players who cheat or a few accounts that were RMT'd, but nobody really hears about anyone ever being banned. That creates the impression that cheating is widespread and punishment is non-existent.

You answered it, the main reason is because not much is done about it, letting know everyone that not much is done will be even worse than feigning something is done even if hardly anyone get banned. Better leave the mass in the doubt that something is done than letting them know nothing is done.

There is a serious lack of GMs on this server and not just to fight against RMTer. I hope they recruit a solid team of GMs for velious or i doubt many will even bother coming back to this server, I don't know if I will bother much with it myself.

+ rogean pays the gas for his ferrari (wich he bought with adsense profit) with RMT, it is a well known fact [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There also wasn't a pervasive perception that the staff was silently complicit in the RMT trade, at least not that I remember.

Also, you self-righteous prick, it is all of our business. You aren't the only one investing time here, nor money. This level of RMT will shut this server down. I for one would like to know what's being done about it because I've stopped trusting the staff here implicitly since you're either silent or petulant, every one of you, all the time. Maybe hire a community liason who comes out of their basement every so often and thus knows how to communicate amongst real people without just patronizing and pissing off the folks supporting your project.

Of course, there is some question what really supports this project these days, isn't there? Well dudes, that question only gets louder the quieter you become.

Server seems to be in a stage of terminal mismanagement for the past few months, particularly when it comes to community relations. Part of the problem is that Rogean is the only staff member with any tact or charisma, and he's pretty much MIA compared to how involved he used to be around here.

BTW, it's Rogean's rule that player punishments aren't public information; not mine. He leads CSR. I lead development. Unfortunately, as apparent here, it's a complete waste of my time to do anything but develop. Noted.

[achtung]

Don't let these monkeys troll you Nilbog. Concern trolling is still trolling.

<3

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Relapse1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you dumb? There were only a handful of people putting in srs amounts of time in ascension you were not 1 of them. To say i was only in it for loot is laughable. i attained more in my app to IB then i did in 6 months of tracking 40+h a week + nearly perfect raid attendance to keep that guild afloat you bitch.

Driven off the server? Laugh Out Loud. I got more heart then your entire faggot French Canadian state you pussy.

Jesus Christ... bragging about playing a fucking video game 40 hours a week for 6 months. You fucking crippled, or something?