A Concerned Citizen Writes...

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Originally Posted by AenarieFenninRo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's even a fraps out there, of someone saying in their guild chat that we were all of a sudden breaking the rules, but that "TMO gives 0 fuks" about following the rules.

How I do miss Relapsee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Jimes]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Choice 3: Get a bunch of friends together that want to compete, that will track, that will batphone, that will organize a raid in minutes or accept failing until you do. Realize a strategy, execute it, and win. It doesn't happen overnight.

That requires effort. These peasants want handouts.

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because I don't want to spend 80 hours a week getting my pixels?

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[Sithel1988]

ive been playing for like a year, and have so many alts that ive never even made it to lvl 15. it is my belief that there is a small population on this server that is like me haha. im scared of the high end :O

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Originally Posted by Sithel1988 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ive been playing for like a year, and have so many alts that ive never even made it to lvl 15. it is my belief that there is a small population on this server that is like me haha. im scared of the high end :O

idk why. There honestly isn't a better time to form up a decent raiding guild.

[Sithel1988]

dont have much time to play. trying to find a job [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[fadetree]

You know, I spent some time on one of the TLP Servers. They 'solve' this problem by enforcing a rotation. Your guild has to reach some qualifying level, ie., killing mob x, to qualify for the rotation. Then each guild is assigned a kill window on certain mobs on a certain range of time. If you kill your mob in the kill window ( within 7 hours of spawn, for example ) great. If not, its FFA. Offending guilds lose their rotation spots to the guild they KS'd.

Plenty of problems there too, but it seemed to work better than not having it. I don't know if the server admins here are willing to put up with the hassles though, but maybe...just MAYBE...if we all try really hard...maybe we could set it up and run it ourselves. Sort of a more formal version of what TMO is doing for the endangered list.

We could have a couple of 'tiers' :
1. Noob tier - low qualifier, ie., you have to actually have a guild and have killed (something larger than a gras snake), vox and naggy and the like on the list.
2. Midrange - qualifier : killed all noob tier targets. Kunark dragons, some epic fights maybe, etc.
3. Pro - qualifier : killed all midrange targets. Vp dragons, etc.

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Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know, I spent some time on one of the TLP Servers. They 'solve' this problem by enforcing a rotation. Your guild has to reach some qualifying level, ie., killing mob x, to qualify for the rotation. Then each guild is assigned a kill window on certain mobs on a certain range of time. If you kill your mob in the kill window ( within 7 hours of spawn, for example ) great. If not, its FFA.

Plenty of problems there too, but it seemed to work better than not having it. I don't know if the server admins here are willing to put up with the hassles though, but maybe...just MAYBE...if we all try really hard...maybe we could set it up and run it ourselves. Sort of a more formal version of what TMO is doing for the endangered list.

Rotation is so lame. Might as well just instance everything.

[Joroz]

The answer to this thread is obviously "you don't want it enough"... the format of this server allows people with no jobs and nothing going on in real life to triumph in a little corner of the Internet. If you want raid mobs, quit your job or get fired and sit at your computer waiting for stuff to spawn. Not saying everyone is in this situation but the best guilds will be the ones with the highest amount of jobless and people that are anti-social in real life.

[fadetree]

...futility is lame.

I mean, since we *can* do a rotation, and we *can't* instance everything.

[AenarieFenninRo]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know, I spent some time on one of the TLP Servers. They 'solve' this problem by enforcing a rotation. Your guild has to reach some qualifying level, ie., killing mob x, to qualify for the rotation. Then each guild is assigned a kill window on certain mobs on a certain range of time. If you kill your mob in the kill window ( within 7 hours of spawn, for example ) great. If not, its FFA. Offending guilds lose their rotation spots to the guild they KS'd.

Plenty of problems there too, but it seemed to work better than not having it. I don't know if the server admins here are willing to put up with the hassles though, but maybe...just MAYBE...if we all try really hard...maybe we could set it up and run it ourselves. Sort of a more formal version of what TMO is doing for the endangered list.

Although i'm not 100% against the idea, there is no "logic" behind why TMO would agree to this. If they're getting all the mobs now, why would they voluntarily offer to give up on all the loots that our toons still need? We have voluntarily given up several mobs over the last couple weeks, and will likely continue to do so because we get no significant loot off of them that we cant wait one extra week for. Trakanon / VS and others that drop epic pieces are a different story though.

When agreement was made on the rotation of Trakanon a few months ago, it was a 50/50 toss up if they would get Trak anyway, so implementing a rotation was logical. It didn't change how often we got the mob as opposed to IB, it simply made it so we didn't have to rush every time to be there.

VD a while back suggested to keep this going, and we said to "prove themselves", after that the trak spawns went something like 8 for TMO, 2 for VD... that was not a "toss up" that was a "we're likely to win most, and only miss out on a couple" so we again had no reason to agree to a rotation.