MOTD: Consider rolling red - Page 3

kazroth · #21 03-26-2012, 03:34 PM

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EQ PvP is, quite literally, not a contest of skill but rather a contest of who can be the biggest douchebag and closely replicate the attitude of a 3-5 year old.

Facts. Let the hate bashing and "fix'd that for you" commence.

I'm not going to fix your post for you, as you didn't really explain anything. You simply stated it as a fact. Do you have any anecdotal evidence to prove your point?

Messianic · #22 03-26-2012, 03:41 PM

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I'm not saying EQ PvP is any better - it all has its problems, but your WoW rose-colored glasses don't really help...

And getting chain CC'd as melee is standard in WoW, as well.

Getting ramrodded by some melee in near-perfect gear after attempting to CC him repeatedly to survive is pretty standard too...

kazroth · #23 03-26-2012, 03:45 PM

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Getting ramrodded by some melee in near-perfect gear after attempting to CC him repeatedly to survive is pretty standard too...

So if gear is the answer here, what does the melee player do when the caster has near-perfect gear as well?

And only Blizz knows what PvP is gonna be like when they drop resilience and pen in the next xpac.

Stealin Dragons · #24 03-26-2012, 03:46 PM

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I'm not saying EQ PvP is any better - it all has its problems, but your WoW rose-colored glasses don't really help...

And getting chain CC'd as melee is standard in WoW, as well.

Everyone get's chained CC'd in WoW, not just melee.

The difference between WoW and EQ is, In WoW the Melee can get out and kill someone. in EQ, 1 druid can fuck multiple melee without a problem.

Kope · #25 03-26-2012, 03:47 PM

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So if gear is the answer here, what does the melee player do when the caster has near-perfect gear as well?

Kill him in 2 shots with a huge delay high dmg bonus weapon (like that 50/150 axe).

EQ PVP is all about jousting as melee.

Messianic · #26 03-26-2012, 03:52 PM

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So if gear is the answer here, what does the melee player do when the caster has near-perfect gear as well?

I haven't played in the Cata era, but itemization for melee was almost always superior in BC (That brief period where you could pop a crapton of charms and boost spell power so high you'd 1-shot people from afar was somewhat of an exception) and still mostly in WotLK - so mostly the melee won when gear levels were both equally high.

I played a Paladin when they initially made them Gods before somewhat nerfing their ret abilities...

But EQ PvP simply has massive engineering problems and imbalances that require you to zerg. Maybe that's part of the magic for you - but to me it's a massive incentive for griefing. WoW's system of instancing and selfish gains kept people apart and basically disorganized. EQ creates gang warfare.

Danyelle · #27 03-26-2012, 04:02 PM

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I'm not going to fix your post for you, as you didn't really explain anything. You simply stated it as a fact. Do you have any anecdotal evidence to prove your point?

Allow me to explain then.

EQ PvP literally consists of people who do shit like this:

"Hmmm I'm level 60 and this guy is level 20. He provides absolutely no challenge to me. I don't know him. Never met him. Not even in a rival guild. Fuck this I wanna kill him. Oh he's coming back to the camp to loot corpse? Not even saying a word? Hahah fuck that I'm gonna sit here and kil lhim every time he comes back."

Or

"Just another bored day being a top raid geared 70..Think I'm gonna go to Crushbone and use my pet to one shot every level 10 player there over and over until they either rage quit or, if they even have one, log on their mains and start shit with me."

Or any other variation of "how much of an asshat can I make myself look like today?"

Now you tell me how the above isn't being a total douchebag or show that the player has the attitude and mindset of a 5 year old, and tell me how any of the above provides that player with a challenge.

EQ PvP would be fun if people conducted themselves maturely and like adults and actually fought for the sake of challenge or even for something like a guild rivalry (Akin to using the Arena in Blue EQ) but they don't. Instead you get 85-90% if not more of the playerbase that acts like the above examples.

Inb4 "lol he mad" because that just proves my point.

kazroth · #28 03-26-2012, 04:02 PM

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EQ creates gang warfare.

MAN! That's what was epic about PvP back in WoW Vanilla! Open world PvP!! Sometimes we'd fight for hours on an open plain out in Hammerfall or something, constantly jumping back into the fray after a ghost run. Eventually someone would be pushed off the field.

I remember piling our guild into that barn just outside Darkshire and killing everything that moved, until the Alliance got wind of it and slowly started to call in reinforcements.

You don't get that anymore... you get the click on queue button, then the pop, then the grind for the pixels.

I don't know, man. To me, it's not EQ itself that fucks up PvP, it's the community. You can either be good sports about it, or just degenerate into 'gang warfare' as you call it.

Messianic · #29 03-26-2012, 04:04 PM

A lot of those things apply to WoW PvP as well - again, eq pvp is more about gang warfare than it is individual acts of douchebaggery.

Messianic · #30 03-26-2012, 04:05 PM

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MAN! That's what was epic about PvP back in WoW Vanilla! Open world PvP!! Sometimes we'd fight for hours on an open plain out in Hammerfall or something, constantly jumping back into the fray after a ghost run. Eventually someone would be pushed off the field.

I remember piling our guild into that barn just outside Darkshire and killing everything that moved, until the Alliance got wind of it and slowly started to call in reinforcements.

You don't get that anymore... you get the click on queue button, then the pop, then the grind for the pixels.

I don't know, man. To me, it's not EQ itself that fucks up PvP, it's the community. You can either be good sports about it, or just degenerate into 'gang warfare' as you call it.

Tarren Mill/Southshore (or similar) wasn't gang warfare. It was more akin to trench or pure open warfare - and yes, the Southshore/Tarren Mill battles were truly freaking epic. I really miss those battles.

Gang warfare is a group of 6 max-level people rolling around griefing everyone they find.