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Old 03-19-2012, 01:02 PM
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I always wondered why the playerbase felt wizards were so grand when they were literally the worst class to have in a group. I only realized how bad they were after leveling a wizard to 51 on live.

People didn't like rangers because there wasn't some "Ooooh Aaahhhh" factor. People think wizards are really doing something when they chain nuke a mob from 50% to 0 quickly, but for some reason are blind to the fact that the wizard is doing substantially less damage over the course of many fights than the ranger, and the ranger is far more useful if all we're looking at is sustained damage and general group utility. Even rangers can heal the necro/shaman/casters...the wizard literally sits there and meds and ends up doing between 15-25 sustained dps over the course of the group if they're not doing anything else - so if the group is efficient (i.e. pulls continually come, evac isn't needed), the wizard becomes more and more useless.

I love rangers, *especially* after they get animal fear - I'm just addicted to feign death so I always stuck with a monk instead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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I'll look into getting it changed to The Secret Order of the Silver Rose of Truth and Dragons.
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:01 PM
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This thread is pretty depressing - I just started a ranger here. Luckily I'm a masochist....up to a point. Is it really so bad for rangers grouping?
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:47 PM
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This thread is pretty depressing - I just started a ranger here. Luckily I'm a masochist....up to a point. Is it really so bad for rangers grouping?
Nah. It's actually somewhat rare that you have someone who worries about the couple of extra percentage points of xp a ranger takes from the group.
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:07 PM
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They can tank AND gate!?
Nerf...
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:10 PM
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Most times people are all too quick to blame the crappy exp they're getting on the hybrids. When in reality it's more than likely due to slow pulls or people AFKing.
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:24 PM
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They can tank AND gate!?
Nerf...
Their gate ability was already nerfed...

They can gate, but not with their equipment.
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Old 03-19-2012, 04:57 PM
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If it wasn't for the XP penalty, Rangers wouldn't be too bad. The truth is that a Ranger is probably about equivalent to my iksar warrior in both dps and overall tanking ability (probably a bit more damage/second taken, but better aggro). But overall the problem Rangers have is the same one Druids have: their utility is just not useful in a group, with one exception: Rangers can absolutely rock as pullers in outdoor dungeons. There is a reason Druids and Rangers love KC.

P.S. Giegue, you are just wrong on bards vs Enchanters in XP groups. If the enchanter isn't charming, a bard and an enchanter are probably about equal: the enchanter will be more consistent with buffs and more able to handle 5+ pulls (I pulled 10 mobs in KC once with Prosephone as our enchanter, and we killed them all - bards just can't do that) while the bard can do more slowing and resist buffing and some health regen as well. If the enchanter is charming, they are really filling 3 slots: 1 CC, and 2 DPS, which makes them equivalent to about 3 bards.
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:33 AM
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Give me a decent healer and I can pretty much tank any groupable encounter currently in game.
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Playing a ranger is EQ at a higher level of difficulty.

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Old 03-20-2012, 09:02 AM
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Rangers have ranger gate!
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:41 AM
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2. Bards have aoe mez and can lock down far more than chanters.
Really? I have to admit I don't know a lot about bards, but how do they do that? Not saying you're wrong, just that I don't know.

From experience, I do know an Enchanter can lock down a virtually unlimited number of mobs.
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