Contest for Reporting 2boxers?

[legider]

I believe that we all appreciate your efforts to improve the quality of this server. You are going about out in a too extreme of nature. This is creating a general fear in the community that will only harm the server in the end. Thirty-six accounts in a single week is quite a lot, and you are reaching a point where false-positives are becoming ever more likely. You start banning the wrong people, and the whole house will crumble.

I know of couples now who play, that are now concerned that they are going to be seen as boxers simply because they are enjoying each other's company. Many players do not just sit at their computers every second that they are logged in. My girlfriend and I often play with one another and she or I will AFK while the other handles a camp as we take on real-life tasks. This is completely legitimate play, but unless we are both at the keyboard to respond to a passer-by, we are venomously accused of being dual-boxers.

I am not saying allow boxing, but I think the current actions need be tempered. A single strong warning with a flag on an account and at least let the person explain themselves. After that any infractions are a perma-ban offense. I know the GM's time is all volunteered, but there are still restrictions that need to be followed as the power is great.

I post this as I am deeply concerned for the future well-being of Project1999. I love this server.

[maahes]

Originally Posted by legider [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe that we all appreciate your efforts to improve the quality of this server. You are going about out in a too extreme of nature. This is creating a general fear in the community that will only harm the server in the end. Thirty-six accounts in a single week is quite a lot, and you are reaching a point where false-positives are becoming ever more likely. You start banning the wrong people, and the whole house will crumble.

I know of couples now who play, that are now concerned that they are going to be seen as boxers simply because they are enjoying each other's company. Many players do not just sit at their computers every second that they are logged in. My girlfriend and I often play with one another and she or I will AFK while the other handles a camp as we take on real-life tasks. This is completely legitimate play, but unless we are both at the keyboard to respond to a passer-by, we are venomously accused of being dual-boxers.

I am not saying allow boxing, but I think the current actions need be tempered. A single strong warning with a flag on an account and at least let the person explain themselves. After that any infractions are a perma-ban offense. I know the GM's time is all volunteered, but there are still restrictions that need to be followed as the power is great.

I post this as I am deeply concerned for the future well-being of Project1999. I love this server.

Exactly. I really hope the Admins read this post.

[Mojoz_Mon]

Now see I really didn't mean for this to get out of control for reals.. it was kinda started off as joke... I just get bummed at times with no groups to be honest lol.. I def. don't 2 box lol I don't have a toon over 40 :P it would be really lame for your friends to get banned but Amelinda is a cool person she wouldn't just ban on a quick oh 2 toons are there and they are always with eachother... I am sure she does abit of research before smashing with ban hammer... lol sorry this post was taken out of context... I should of though twice about it =P

[Mojoz_Mon]

Originally Posted by Rasah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This game is about choices. Give people the ability to not have to make the choice, and it's worse for everyone.

Want to track for your guild? You can, but you can't play your own character. That's a sacrifice. If you can 2-box, then you don't have to alter your play schedule at all, just leave the tracker up.

The jboots camp sure is easy, right? Why not do it all the time? Because it's boring, right? Just 2-box, and you can keep AC on lockdown without altering your play.

Want Hadden? No big deal if you can 2-box.

Repeat ad nausem.

Boxing is not only about powerlevelling characters. It's about keeping long camps on lockdown where the only downside is boredom.

Ya but that is bunk to have a tracker on a camp waiting for somthing you should have to give up you xp / other loot hunts to wait on a mob.. We all done it and it just makes it that more epic when ZOMFG... I just got my epic after 02394i023948203984023984 hours and you stand up and do the stupid nerd dance that all peeps do on these games when you get epic loots =) my dance kinda looks like the Truffle Shuffle with a slight tarded mode to it lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5whaRkuipU
( good stuff )

[Flunklesnarkin]

It's probably harder on people with IP exemptions because they always have the temptation.


"Oh man I'm dead... I'll just log on my wifes character rq and go rez / buff my group"


or

"It's just one quick teleport nobody will know"


I bet more people get hit for that than "AFK" boxing


It's probably pretty obvious too... have one character that is only ever at a money / dragon camp and never moves (and its the same IP as another character that is moving)

It's like "naw dude, thats my girlfriend... she really really likes to camp dragons" >_>

[Mojoz_Mon]

Lol Flunk.. Ya that is kinda what I thinking I mean it seems pretty seldom that I acually run into people that I see 2boxing... I am sure most of it is camps for dragons/items/quests or EC lol ... gf really likes camping dragons that good

[timoris]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think we necessarily need a contest for this. I think maybe people just need to stop boxing. period. Because.....It makes me sad to ban people for boxing. I got people in 3 major high end guilds this week. Got a few lower level players also.

The people i caught in higher guilds were either power leveling in OOT or tracking.

It's sad that even some VERY established players were busted. Because they feel it is "Not a big deal."

It's a huge deal. Some folks think they are going to get lenience for boxing. I don't give that. I don't have any sympathy for it. If you are caught, it sucks to be you. It's a perma ban. PERMA BAN. PERMA BAN.

Sure. you can appeal it after 4 months. and I might unban one of your accounts. But is it worth it to lose 4 months playing on one account AND an entire other account?

After I announced last night that I was hunting boxers I busted 6 more. Do what you choose but it's not worth the risk.

So PERMABAN = 4 months ban?

[Mojoz_Mon]

Sure. you can appeal it after 4 months. and I might unban one of your accounts. But is it worth it to lose 4 months playing on one account AND an entire other account?

After I announced last night that I was hunting boxers I busted 6 more. Do what you choose but it's not worth the risk.

[Rasah]

Originally Posted by Mojoz_Mon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya but that is bunk to have a tracker on a camp waiting for somthing you should have to give up you xp / other loot hunts to wait on a mob..

Perhaps you misunderstood me. I am firmly in agreement that boxing ruins the server, and I was providing reasons why that are not related to powerlevelling.

[Lifesbane]

Originally Posted by legider [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe that we all appreciate your efforts to improve the quality of this server. You are going about out in a too extreme of nature. This is creating a general fear in the community that will only harm the server in the end. Thirty-six accounts in a single week is quite a lot, and you are reaching a point where false-positives are becoming ever more likely. You start banning the wrong people, and the whole house will crumble.

I know of couples now who play, that are now concerned that they are going to be seen as boxers simply because they are enjoying each other's company. Many players do not just sit at their computers every second that they are logged in. My girlfriend and I often play with one another and she or I will AFK while the other handles a camp as we take on real-life tasks. This is completely legitimate play, but unless we are both at the keyboard to respond to a passer-by, we are venomously accused of being dual-boxers.

I am not saying allow boxing, but I think the current actions need be tempered. A single strong warning with a flag on an account and at least let the person explain themselves. After that any infractions are a perma-ban offense. I know the GM's time is all volunteered, but there are still restrictions that need to be followed as the power is great.

I post this as I am deeply concerned for the future well-being of Project1999. I love this server.

This...

Just happened to my wife and I last night. She was helping me lvl in OOT to in turn allow me to help PL her (I'm a nec, shes a cleric). One second everything is going fine, next moment we both have black screens saying we are banned. We were just discussing too moments prior when Amelinda announced she was searching for 2 boxers that what we are doing will probably look like boxing so we were waiting for any tell or message if we were ever accused, but none such message came and the wrath of Amelinda is swifter than words can be typed (My ulnar nerve was severed recently so I'm not typing quick at all anyway.. but it is fast!) so I was not able to appeal any such decision. I hope such situations can be resolved, I really did enjoy my time that I invested into the character and was enjoying watching my wife and I level up together. Please at least send a message or observe closely before coming to conclusions. I know having the benefit of the doubt will let some bad apples through, but being overly zealous in your efforts will end up hurting more than helping [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]