Trakanon Rotation

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not really true and an unfair generalization. I'm not in denial about sometimes losing; it happens.

And I'm not trying to disparage the two Trak kills VD did get. Good for them for getting them, but in general, we won't be wiping to him, nor will we be leaving the lair for Talendor.

I am all for sharing, but know your place. VD proposing that they deserve as much as we do is an affront to our honor! Such claims must be met with fierce competition.

I'll tell you what I would be in favor of: Neither TMO nor VD competing on like one out of four mobs. At this point we have no interest in a rotation agreement with VD, but I'd still like to provide whoever's interested with a shot to try these encounters.

I actually believe you when you say this, but you do not speak for your guild on the subject.

Unless the logs are falsified, Coldblooded has tried to work out a rotation of some sort with Zeelot no less than three times and Zeelot has not even entertained the possibility. That doesn't sound like a guild leader ready to compromise. Granted, he likely didn't expect a rotation agreement to the effect of 3 open competitions for TMO/VD, then 1 for the rest of the server. But I have to believe that that type of deal would at least be entertained by Coldblooded, with a few possible tweaks. I have no confidence that Zeelot would even consider it.

I'd be glad to be wrong, but I don't think I am. It seems to me as though IB and TMO are more or less interchangeable in the top dog role.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Gumm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

instead of trying to sway public opinion and outrage onto your side, why not outright win trakanon's?

We have, and we will continue to do so.

Originally Posted by Gumm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you care so much about the good of the server, invite those other guilds that don't currently engage trakanon such as taken, divinity, BDA etc and have them raid with you.

And the rhetoric from TMO will be "The only reason you won that one is because you had help with Taken/BDA/Div", etc, etc... the same crap we heard when we were raiding with IB. Those guilds deserve a shot at Trak on their own, without TMO calling them our zerglings and cry for a merge or however they'd spin it.

I wouldn't mind a Trak rotation like Zapatos proposed:

1) TMO vs VD
2) open (non-TMO and VD) for X number of hours, then FFA

Gives TMO the competition they crave, and gives the other guilds on the server a shot on their own.

[quido]

You're right, I don't speak for TMO. But I mean what I say. I'd be willing to wager that I could get enough people behind it. Maybe not though.

It seems pretty reasonable to me. My hostility towards meting out a deal only extends as far as Vesica Dei.

[Daldolma]

Well, we've got an officer from TMO saying he'd be in favor of:

Open
Open
Open
Non-TMO/VD

and we've got an officer from VD saying he'd be in favor of:

Open
Non-TMO/VD

Seems like it's in the guild leaders' courts. As far as I'm concerned, either of the above would be a unique, promising, and altogether unexpected advance in the end-game relations on P99. Will be interesting to see if it happens, and if not, who shoots it down.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right, I don't speak for TMO. But I mean what I say. I'd be willing to wager that I could get enough people behind it. Maybe not though.

It seems pretty reasonable to me. My hostility towards meting out a deal only extends as far as Vesica Dei.

that rotation has already been thought up believe it or not lol. I'm glad VD brought it up too now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[quido]

Yendor, that's asking too much and you know it. That is an agreement which is tailored to suit your inferiority. Try to come up with something more reasonable.

How about my proposal? No agreement except to give one in four mobs to whoever wants them outside of TMO/VD, for 24 hours or something. I think this would be a great place to start! It's not like it has to last forever.

And honestly I think the obvious "meeting in the middle" of 2 open 1 non-TMO/VD is asking too much. I don't see myself getting behind anything more generous than relinquishing one in four, currently.

[Teddie1056]

What do you think of my rotation?
1/4 VD, 1/4 TMO, 1/4 Competition, 1/4 Everyone else.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Teddie1056 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you think of my rotation?
1/4 VD, 1/4 TMO, 1/4 Competition, 1/4 Everyone else.

I think your rotation sucks.

I cannot get behind a rotation that defaults the same amount for free to VD as it does to us. Not until they put the hurt on us for an extended period of time, anyways.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yendor, that's asking too much and you know it. That is an agreement which is tailored to suit your inferiority. Try to come up with something more reasonable.

How about my proposal? No agreement except to give one in four mobs to whoever wants them outside of TMO/VD, for 24 hours or something. I think this would be a great place to start! It's not like it has to last forever.

And honestly I think the obvious "meeting in the middle" of 2 open 1 non-TMO/VD is asking too much. I don't see myself getting behind anything more generous than relinquishing one in four, currently.

Honestly, as an objective observer, I think Jeremy is right. 1 in 4 is plenty fair. Less than that is a fake concession -- more than that benefits the weaker of the two competitors (whoever you believe that to be). One in four would be appropriate.

[quido]

Thanks for your polite and conscientious input, Daldolma. I apologize for mistaking you for some IB caster.