Wizards! Do you regret it?

[nalkin]

Wizards are the last class I want to see in my group because they are such a waste of a spot

[Lazortag]

"Wizards are the last class I want to see in my group because they are such a waste of a spot"
-Nalkin, forever AFK mage

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Razdeline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sunstrike chain cast is 200dps...wizards are tops in raids. Ridiculous burst.

Sunstrike chain cast is 170-200 DPS, while mana permits, if it never gets resisted. Top raid targets resist more than half of the damage and it becomes worse in Velious, along with the hitpoints of monsters skyrocketing there as well.

[Matalus]

^ reason why wizards were giving lures. Wizards are top for burning down any single target raid mob hands down, this can not be argued

[Zuranthium]

It depends on how long the fight is. There reaches a point where the Wizard's compressed damage doesn't matter because it takes so long to kill the target that melees do more damage over the course of the fight anyway. The Wizard is no longer actually allowing the team to kill the target any faster than they would have if a melee had been there instead of the Wizard (the opposite, in fact).

That speaks not just to class imbalance but also how poorly the combat mechanics and the combat encounters themselves were designed by that point (stand around auto-attacking and chain-healing with Clerics...so boring). There's a massive gulf of improvement that Everquest needs in this regard. Now if only someone would make a game with the fundamentals that made Everquest so amazing + implementations that allow those fundamentals to not be ruined by players trying to play the game as if it was color-by-the-numbers + vastly improved (and varied) combat mechanics and combat encounters.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sunstrike chain cast is 170-200 DPS, while mana permits, if it never gets resisted. Top raid targets resist more than half of the damage and it becomes worse in Velious, along with the hitpoints of monsters skyrocketing there as well.

Yeah it gets worse for wizards in Velious


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[Ikonoclastia]

Lol. Anyone who disregards another player as a waste of a slot because of lowered dps really should'nt play mmo's.

Worst groups by far are the ones where nobody talks, other then to say pull! or worse start criticizing someones dps contribution lol.

In WoW I played a healer and my girlfriend was a casual dps warrior. On heroics if peeps started to be nasty to her for her gearscore or dps I'd wait for a decent pull and we'd both leave n let em die. fun times.

How stat dps whores need to be treated.

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. Anyone who disregards another player as a waste of a slot because of lowered dps really should'nt play mmo's.

Worst groups by far are the ones where nobody talks, other then to say pull! or worse start criticizing someones dps contribution lol.

In WoW I played a healer and my girlfriend was a casual dps warrior. On heroics if peeps started to be nasty to her for her gearscore or dps I'd wait for a decent pull and we'd both leave n let em die. fun times.

How stat dps whores need to be treated.

I can totally see how everyone now believes that your girlfriend (and you too) were NOT a waste of space, what with you having a tantrum when other people didn't like you bringing down the way they play the game (even though you're on a soapbox about the same thing) and then you wiped the group over it.

Totally not a waste of space.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It depends on how long the fight is. There reaches a point where the Wizard's compressed damage doesn't matter because it takes so long to kill the target that melees do more damage over the course of the fight anyway.

Kunark mobs have 32k hp max. I've very rarely go completely oom on a mob I was properly prepared for, like when raid dps barely is outdoing mob regen (those are fun fights!).


As for resisted nukes, you learn what to cast one what. The only time I get full resists is when a belly caster moves off me. If you are getting resisted alot you are doing it wrong.

[Ikonoclastia]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can totally see how everyone now believes that your girlfriend (and you too) were NOT a waste of space, what with you having a tantrum when other people didn't like you bringing down the way they play the game (even though you're on a soapbox about the same thing) and then you wiped the group over it.

Totally not a waste of space.

If you are unreasonably nasty to someone I know in game, especially my gf (now wife) or kid I'll gladly let you die and feast on your tells of rage.

I'm a troll shaman, we're evil.