Raid Petitions / GM CS

[Zapatos]

Simulated patch day, patch days, aka full server repops won't solve anything. That will just lead to larger chance of petitions, drama, etc. Granted they are classic, but that's a different issue for a different post.

A zonewide shout isn't classic, but it's a GREAT idea. I mean there a mobs that say "how dare you interfere with me PLAYER X"... in a raid scene that would save Amelinda the trouble of having to attend every crazy contested kill where 60 people are sitting on a spawn fighting for fte (see last VS). It would also solve the issue like with the recent Innoruuk or raid pulls in general, where the average raider has no clue what's happening on the puller's end and just takes their word on it (no need to suspend an entire guild for interference when it's just the pullers being bad). But anyways, spawn variance isn't classic but it was decided to be healthy for the server, why not fte shouts?

Granting the kill whoever gets exp is just bad, because that further enforces straight up Kill Stealing.

And while I'm still on a tangent: it just feels like the raid scene is deteriorating rapidly. Now instead of stall kiting it seems like the new cool thing to do is stall tank.. engage instantly and hold with a tank/healer while the rest of the raid force arrives. That in turn prompts more poopsocking, which in turn results in more FTE fights, which results in more petitions.

[Alkorin]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

but i don't think its the best way to play an mmo lol...

It's not the best way to play. It's ridiculous. It's why I stopped playing.

However, it's reality on this server, because folks can't/don't want to share amongst themselves. I mean, this is likely why instancing was born in the first place -- paid SOE employees were spending the majority of their time dealing with petty PnP disputes about who stole whose Cloudsong.

Problem is, these GMs aren't paid. They're doing this because they enjoy it, and some of the players here are intent on making them suffer for it through their unbelievably selfish actions. That's life.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Most of the confusion/disagreements happen because no one can instantly tell who has rights to the raid encounter via FTE. This is what requires GM intervention to look at the server logs for the encounter after the fact.

Code the mobs to zonewide shout the FTE. Or zonewide shout the first person to get summoned by it. Whatever metric works best. But give us the tools (however non-classic) to determine this ourselves. If Innoruuk shouts "The Mystical Order must be destroyed!!" then other raid forces know to disengage and port out. If other forces see that and ninjaloot, KS, or otherwise interfere with the raid, raid-suspend them for a week. You'll see the drama about who got FTE when decrease pretty quick, I would imagine.

Bruman, its more about the time spent than it is the pixels, to be honest. How would you like it if your guild spent some time waiting for Fay to complete a druid epic, pull it, kill it, hand out the loot, then find out later it wasn't your kill because someone from the raid force at the chessboard had aggroed it with a Eye of Zomm a second before your puller tagged it?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Zapatos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Simulated patch day, patch days, aka full server repops won't solve anything. That will just lead to larger chance of petitions, drama, etc. Granted they are classic, but that's a different issue for a different post.

A zonewide shout isn't classic, but it's a GREAT idea. I mean there a mobs that say "how dare you interfere with me PLAYER X"... in a raid scene that would save Amelinda the trouble of having to attend every crazy contested kill where 60 people are sitting on a spawn fighting for fte (see last VS). It would also solve the issue like with the recent Innoruuk or raid pulls in general, where the average raider has no clue what's happening on the puller's end and just takes their word on it (no need to suspend an entire guild for interference when it's just the pullers being bad). But anyways, spawn variance isn't classic but it was decided to be healthy for the server, why not fte shouts?

Granting the kill whoever gets exp is just bad, because that further enforces straight up Kill Stealing.

And while I'm still on a tangent: it just feels like the raid scene is deteriorating rapidly. Now instead of stall kiting it seems like the new cool thing to do is stall tank.. engage instantly and hold with a tank/healer while the rest of the raid force arrives. That in turn prompts more poopsocking, which in turn results in more FTE fights, which results in more petitions.

more patch day repops pls, this person is clueless.

Most of the problems we have is that every raid target is rare. Meaning it has that much more value.

We are nothing but stray dogs and rogean throws us scraps randomly to watch us fight and rip each other apart.

[Alkorin]

Stall tanking? My god, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If you have a tank on a mob, and the tank's not dying, you're TANKING THE MOB.

Incredible...

[Fountree]

Yendor, your example sounds exactly what happened to us on Fay at the hands of your friends a few weeks back lol. Nothing was done...but alas we moved on.

[Fountree]

Lol I totally agree Alkorin. Some of these VD arguments are entertaining.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Alkorin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stall tanking? My god, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If you have a tank on a mob, and the tank's not dying, you're TANKING THE MOB.

Incredible...

yah some people kill a monster slowly in mmo's if they are on non-24 hour timers like say a 16 hour timer


if you hold it for an hour or so you can control when the respawn window will start.

[Feminem]

Originally Posted by john_savage1982 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll reiterate:

GM decisions are unfair.
They don't care.
Don't like it then don't play.
They really don't care either way.

The GMs are only here because they care about the server. Why in the world would anyone want to spend their time handling all these silly complaints and petty disputes?

It seems obvious that you should NOT be blaming the GMs for an issues that are purely the players' decisions. They are clearly making an effort to help mediate issues that the players should be able to mediate on their own.

Just a thought. I hate it when people who already have difficult and thankless jobs get the finger pointed at them, as well.

[Zapatos]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

more patch day repops pls, this person is clueless.

Most of the problems we have is that every raid target is rare. Meaning it has that much more value.

We are nothing but stray dogs and rogean throws us scraps randomly to watch us fight and rip each other apart.

Then you greatly underestimate how much people will race and compete for raid pops given the chance. More pops will mean less waiting around and more fighting/drama. (edit: with the current system)

And stall tanking.. I don't know what you'd call it, but that 2 players, being the only 2 of that guild in a zone, can get FTE and hold a mob with no chance of killing it until the rest of the guild arrives is not good. I see that as equivalent to someone kiting a mob until the guild arrives. I've seen this happen at Venril Sathir and that is why all the guilds are now sitting in the room instead.