Red99 Stimulus Plan (some constructive feedback)

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with item loot right now is replacement. I'll quote myself cuz it's already buried.

It's not as if the item disappears; it goes to another player. So you see, it's still on the server, ready to be PK'd and won by anyone with enough organization and balls to ambush just 1 guy.

Even more importantly, it's FUN.

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That doesn't make any sense at all to me, because it works both ways. When the outnumbered players DO win, their enemies will then bindrush and take the camp back anyway. Not bindrushing should be common decency imo :/

This is how i see it:

Scenario 1: XP pvp loss that stings.

Guy attempts 1v3 because its late and nothings going on. He gets killed a couple of times, looks at his xp bar, says fuck this shit and logs off. The group keeps poopsocking.

Scenario 2: No XP pvp loss.

Guy attempts 1v3 because its late and nothings going on. He has fun for a couple of hours, the attacked group has to either stop leveling to deal with the guy (which can be fun), carry on leveling with a player add (which can be fun and challenging) or move somewhere else (low chance of this happening since they got the upper hand).

Everybody has fun for an hour or 2 (im taking a really wild guess here and assume that people playing on a PVP server enjoy PVP and arent just blues looking for a way to control camps that doesnt involve effort and GMs) and the bored guy can resume PVE the next day at the same point he was before he started to pvp.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not as if the item disappears; it goes to another player. So you see, it's still on the server, ready to be PK'd and won by anyone with enough organization and balls to ambush just 1 guy.

right...now think about what goes on from the lower to mid-levels. most low-enders can't even find groups, let alone organize against a twink that just rotfl curb-stomped them.

how is item loot going to keep them playing, especially when it becomes necessary topk for loot instead of grouping to get loot. and since no one pve's anymore, where will the new stuff come from?

pvp demands pve

[Cast]

dude STOP WITH XP LOSS FROM PVP.. NO ONE CARES BUT YOU

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

right...now think about what goes on from the lower to mid-levels. most low-enders can't even find groups, let alone organize against a twink that just rotfl curb-stomped them.

And yet this is exactly what most of the server did with most of their time on Rallos Zek. We had a ton of fun while doing it too, spawning a whole generation of gamers who loved the Item Loot paradigm that we saw in games like Shadowbane and Darkfall.

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Cast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dude STOP WITH XP LOSS FROM PVP.. NO ONE CARES BUT YOU

If you wanna troll me, keep it to rants and flames or Off topic. No one cares about your trolling, that im pretty sure, especially not in a constructive thread about feedback in which your only input is "No one cares but you".

I read this today:

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everytime I engage in PVP all I think about is, wow it's really going to suck grinding this EXP back later. Even with the 25% bonus exp was still too slow. This is coming from an embarrassed diaperquester who has spent way too much time on this server trying to get to 50 and is now finally a level away. God help me had I rolled a hybrid or a troll. I got literally 0% movement in 45 killing dark blue mobs solo. It took 2 mobs to get a tick.

Now fuck off elsewhere please.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And yet this is exactly what most of the server did with most of their time on Rallos Zek. We had a ton of fun while doing it too, spawning a whole generation of gamers who loved the Item Loot paradigm that we saw in games like Shadowbane and Darkfall.

Rallos started with a different mind-set. Most starting here want to PK for loot if item looting is in. The percentage of griefers was much lower back in early RZ. People banded together because EQ was still fresh at the time, and the mentality that dominates here did not dominate there.

see the difference?

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rallos started with a different mind-set. Most starting here want to PK for loot if item looting is in. The percentage of griefers was much lower back in early RZ. People banded together because EQ was still fresh at the time, and the mentality that dominates here did not dominate there.

see the difference?

I see that you are trying to qualify your statements and 'win' the discussion! :P

The important thing is for everyone to win by having a sustained, high population engaging in fun activities. This includes adding a more entertaining model for PvP such as Item Loot, Teams, and removing the Play Nice Policy so creative individuals can compete with larger groups.

[Softcore PK]

I kinda like to think of pvp in a rp sense.. and when people die, I feel they should be dead and not bother us. Oldfish, you and I are both just wanting what we had on live lol. VZ = everyone always LnSed, except people who were known griefers and were never allowed in any guilds or xp groups. RZ I guess = everyone bindrushed.

xp loss as it is now, is i guess a compromise.

People still bindrush, but they are penalized for it.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rallos started with a different mind-set. Most starting here want to PK for loot if item looting is in. The percentage of griefers was much lower back in early RZ. People banded together because EQ was still fresh at the time, and the mentality that dominates here did not dominate there.

see the difference?

Yeah, when you have someone that is willing to level up as a "spy" in another guild it is clear that people will not stop until they are assured they have ruined someone else's time. It could take these people 30 hours to grief someone out of 30 minutes and it would be worth it to them - that is tough to get around with item loot rules while keeping a population. Item loot was the best PvP experience for me on EQ but it takes an abundance of normal people to pull it off. I'm the only normal person on this server.