OCCUPY WALLSTREET!

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Jinzo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The protest is a little lacking in terms of message but i think it has done a good job on drawing attention to the issue.

What is the issue? The general 'shit is fucked up' sentiment? I think there are a lot of lists of issues out there from various OWS groups but they are all different and constantly changing?

Clearly, I'm not a protester but how do you know when you have influenced change and when do you pack up your things and go home? Just when 'shit is no longer fucked up'?

Of course the 'movement' is going to draw a large interest when the 'what are we protesting' is really every single participants individual gripes and complaints coupled with well meaning ideas. Obviously however, this isn't reasonable or scalable. Couple this with pages and pages of rants and complains and people using terminology like 'overthrow' 'restart' etc. and I have to ask... what is the end game here? What are you actually hoping to achieve?

Is it too much to expect a movement that has received considerable national media attention and are occupying the nations parks, streets and bridges to solidify on what they are trying to actually accomplish more than just 'fix shit'?

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man, the spin factor in the past couple pages is pretty insane. Somehow, the guy with a steady job, a house, and a family is the unstable one, whereas the guy living in Texas with no property, no lease, and a sports car is "successful".

No property of your own and no lease means you're on your ass at someone's else's whim. The minute they want their home back, you need to move on. Even most college kids living in dorms have more stability than that. Maybe that's fine with you now, but that's likely because you don't have a family. And maybe not having a family is cool for you. For most stable adults, a wife and kids are desirable. And for most wives and kids, housing stability is a necessity.

You seem to pick certain criteria (lack of debt, lack of financial obligations) and determine that those are the criteria which everyone should value. That's not how the world works. For as much as you value your ability to pick up and leave your housing situation, some -- many, in fact -- would prefer the permanence that comes with owning a home with an affordable mortgage payment. For as much as you apparently value your ability to leave your job, your city, and your home on a moment's notice, most people don't really want to leave their job, their city, or their home. They'd rather keep those things and start a family. Most people find a job they like, in a city they like, start a family they like, and then buy a home they like. So long as they can maintain their living conditions by meeting the mortgage, they're happy. Moreover, once the mortgage is paid off, they own a home. It's an investment like any other. When they are ready, they can sell. Or they can retire there. Someone that has spent his life renting better have a nice savings balance if they want to retire at a reasonably young age. Social security is basically fool's gold at this point, and if you retire at 65, you're looking at -- who knows? -- another 20 years of rent. Not a lot of people save enough money to cover 20 years of rent + living expenses.

And for what it's worth, I know what team leads at BoA make, and it's not nearly enough to act like you've got it all figured out. On that type of salary, you will absolutely need to take out loans if you want to own a quality home in the future. If you don't, that's fine -- but that's a personal preference that most don't share.

Excellent Poster. A+++ Great post. Would read again.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is the issue? The general 'shit is fucked up' sentiment? I think there are a lot of lists of issues out there from various OWS groups but they are all different and constantly changing?

Clearly, I'm not a protester but how do you know when you have influenced change and when do you pack up your things and go home? Just when 'shit is no longer fucked up'?

Of course the 'movement' is going to draw a large interest when the 'what are we protesting' is really every single participants individual gripes and complaints coupled with well meaning ideas. Obviously however, this isn't reasonable or scalable. Couple this with pages and pages of rants and complains and people using terminology like 'overthrow' 'restart' etc. and I have to ask... what is the end game here? What are you actually hoping to achieve?

Is it too much to expect a movement that has received considerable national media attention and are occupying the nations parks, streets and bridges to solidify on what they are trying to actually accomplish more than just 'fix shit'?

What they're protesting is clear, and their end-game is well defined. It's very reasonable. It's very scalable. It just doesn't match your opinion on the subject, so you try to discredit the entire purpose. Keep believing everything you read in the free press; you're obviously just another tool.

[vaylorie]

Ok. Then what is it?

[Jinzo]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok. Then what is it?

The protests are against social and economic inequality, high unemployment, greed, as well as corruption, and the undue influence of corporations—particularly that of the financial services sector—on government.

[Samoht]

What? You mean their goal isn't shitting in the street? Oh my god.

[Jinzo]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? You mean their goal isn't shitting in the street? Oh my god.

It would seem that way.

[vaylorie]

So what is the fix? What are you looking to achieve?

[Samoht]

Do we really have to hold your hand?

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Originally Posted by Jinzo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

social and economic inequality.

Fix

Originally Posted by Jinzo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

high unemployment.

Stop

Originally Posted by Jinzo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

greed, as well as corruption.

Curtail

Originally Posted by Jinzo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the undue influence of corporations—particularly that of the financial services sector—on government.

Duh.

[Samoht]

I always knew you guys couldn't think for yourselves. It's probably why your only arguments are regurgitated, biased opinions that you heard on AM radio.