OCCUPY WALLSTREET!

[vaylorie]

Kraftwerk, I finally agree with Hasbinbad... you are a tool...

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by valithteezee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They're doing their job so you can have a peaceful protest and you fucking rip their hat off and throw it on the ground, and then proceed to STOMP on it?

Are you shitting me?

Should there be no consequence for such actions?

You honestly seem to think the protestors are the ones starting violence..

I feel bad for you.

The truth is out there dude, but you have to look.

The media has a complete blackout of this movement. I know this is true because I see actual disparity between events which I have witnessed first hand and the portrayal of those events by the mainstream media.

In order to find truth, you need to use the internet: this generations greatest tool. On youtube; on the livestreams; on the websites which have transcripts, videos, and audio; most importantly at General Assemblies; you will find truth. You will see that peaceful people have been acted on with violence, disrupting any attempt to remain peaceful and trampling all over the constitution.

You were warned about this.

Read Thomas Jefferson, for fucks sake.

[valithteezee]

I don't see how your response has anything to do with what I said, nor do I see the pertinence of your funeral example.

I'll try to make it clearer in case I didn't the first time around.

Police are not the enemy of the "movement" and should be treated with respect.

How many times can you grab and pull a dogs tail before you get bit?

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're retarded.

The cops are supposed to protect people. RIOT cops are supposed to protect people from RIOTERS. What happened is that PEACEFUL PROTESTORS were subjected to LESS LETHAL WEAPONS.

There's an essential disconnect that people like you have which is called intentional ignorance, and it does absolutely no good to talk to you, so I'll end here with a rhetorical question for you to chew on:

Where were the RIOT cops when these assholes showed up at that mans funeral?

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[Samoht]

Originally Posted by valithteezee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Police are not the enemy of the "movement" and should be treated with respect.

Your scenario was symbolic and in no way hurt the officer. There's no justification of bludgeoning here. The term appropriate force would mean that the officer can only respond if he feels endangered. Otherwise, he legally obligated to maintain composure and turn the other cheek. That's how you earn respect. Respect is not owed to you just because you hide behind a badge and a gun.

Also, it looks like it's about time for the government to revitalize blind patriotism by concocting another fake war. Or are the American people smart enough to see through those after 25 years of perpetual conflict?

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kraftwerk, I finally agree with Hasbinbad... you are a tool...

Please don't agree with me. I don't believe in guilt by association, but others may. Kraft makes a bunch of good points, but employs intentional ignorance as a tactic, and accuses me of logical fallacies which do not exist in my reasoning. He has been conditioned to be thus, and it is not all his fault (much like your situation).

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep referencing things as black and white and creating straw man arguments to refute points I wasn't even stating, it's as bad as varloye.

I don't see it that way. I know it is fallacious to assume of the general what is true from the specific, but in my anecdotal experience, libertarians generally refuse to see the good in a central government public works. I see that as a head-in-the-sand philosophy which is intentionally ignorant of the great things this country has done when funded heavily with taxes.

To promote my side of the argument, I only ask you to do some research on the following points:
What was the income tax rate in 1954?
What meaningful contributions to life, posterity, and the world did the United States make during that period of time?

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being against a strong central government that abuses taxpayer money as well as creating massive public works rather than states taking it upon themselves definitely means plumbing shouldn't exist anymore.

I see your point with the black and white arguments from me, and raise you your own rhetoric (in bold above). If we're going to agree that theoretical ideals are something which can be bantered, at least give me that a central government needs not abuse taxpayer money, but that rather that is what exists in reality based on the silence of the people.

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is some information:

I pay a private company for power.
I pay my local municipality for water (plumbing).
I pay a private company for my gas.

Those local municipalities and private companies are generally subsidized and you know it. If your particular organization is not, then at least grant that most are. I applaud any effort to be more self-sufficient, especially if that means not using benefits which are available to you because you are not in need, but grant that there are those with legitimate need, and that helping those people become more contributory members of society is a long term goal consistent with good morality. I know you're going to cry black and white, but helping EVERYONE not get the bubonic plague helps YOU not get the plague too. Amirite?

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should massive central government public works and federal income tax end, then states and the free market would supply what is demanded.

That is one possible outcome, but given human history, I have no reason to believe it is probable. What is more likely is that there will be private security forces ensuring that you buy only what they want you to buy either through manipulation at the personal level (if you buy jify pop instead of orville redenbockers, we'll rape your wife), at the storefront level (if you sell jify pop, we'll rape your wife), or at various distribution levels (if you deliver jify pop to the stores, trucks, ships, trains, we'll rape your wife). At the VERY least, control over choice via advertising (don't even think about arguing the power of advertising over "free choice" dude, the evidence in favor is damn near absolute) will be drastically increased.

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, what libertarians do you know who would support arresting an individual for marijuana use? It's an individuals right and responsibility.

Oh I wasn't saying that Libertarians supported that, I was just saying that you should say "go back to whatever it is that you're doing, and don't worry about me."

Most often, they're out arresting violent marijuana offenders..

[valithteezee]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You honestly seem to think the protestors are the ones starting violence...

I'm not that naive. I know this situation is not as black and white as the media makes it to be. I actually think the intentions of the movement are spot on. That's not what I'm arguing though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by valithteezee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Police are not the enemy of the "movement" and should be treated with respect.

Well, I agree that they are not the enemy in theory, but the individuals who commit offenses against the constitution for a paycheck are. And those people are owed absolutely no respect. You're intentionally ignoring the fact that police were the original perpetrators of violence in nearly every case (I can't say "every," but I have yet to see a legitimate report of a occupy protestor doing anything to instigate violence without the police having already made overtures).

The people deserve respect too.

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many times can you grab and pull a dogs tail before you get bit?

That's a question you should be asking of the government, industry, the media, and the riot police.

[Hypeshot]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please read "Manufacturing Consent."

Please study to understand the concept of "Media / Govvernment / Industrial Complex."

Thank you, drive through.

Chomsky FTW , The movie is pretty awesome too.

[Hasbinbad]

er, i dunno why that quoted kraftwerk... got tripped up in my copy pastes.. sorry.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

at various distribution levels (if you deliver jify pop to the stores, trucks, ships, trains, we'll rape your wife).

They already do this and get away with it, though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wish they would let me enjoy my jiffy pop in peace.