OCCUPY WALLSTREET!

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Massive Marc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An intelligent discussion going on here:

Captain Morgan's posts, especially.

[Aadill]

LIVE STREAM: http://www.ustream.tv/THEOTHER99

no one is allowed in or out. Police:Protester ratio is getting to 1:1.

[Silentone]

They are now occupying down town los angeles..

[Diggles]

#OccupyVisage

[vaylorie]

Valid points or not, they are making themselves a different kind of 'the 1%' (the 1% of Americans are retards) with the approach they are using.

I think parts of their message is universal and would get widespread agreement and they would get more of the actual 99% on board if they could clearly articulate their message, work inside the existing structures in place to demonstrate and stop the aggressive & disruptive approach they are using... They are making themselves fringe.

Also, they should probably stop putting feces on everything to be somewhat identifiable with the people they claim to represent (99%).

[Shiftin]

*Private sector pushed a lot of jobs overseas for the past 20-30 years, removing many production-based jobs, leaving mainly only service positions.

These jobs move overseas because it is nonsensically expensive to employ people to do manual labor full time in this country between unions, the cost of complying with incredibly complex federal, state and local regulations, payroll tax, workman's comp and related insurance, minimum wage, etc.

None of those things a business has control over, so to imply that businesses are at fault for wanting to operate at a profit by sourcing manufacturing overseas is absurd, as are many of the other random statistics cobbled together with implied causation used by the protestors. They show a STUNNING lack of a working knowledge of things like the tax code, business history, cost accounting, macro economics, etc. It's amazingly easy to blame faceless corporations for your problems if you don't examine the processes by which businesses arrived at their current method of operation.

The american auto industry is a pretty perfect example. Those companies kept manufacturing here as a matter of pride and principle and required a massive bailout due to their completely borked cost structure imposed by unions and unreasonable pension expectations / pay. They will go through the same process again in the future, it's absolutely inevitable without major changes.

[Hasbinbad]

If you haven't been to a General Assembly, and you are speaking about what Occupy is or is not, or what their message is, or what they want, you're an idiot.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you haven't been to a General Assembly, and you are speaking about what Occupy is or is not, or what their message is, or what they want, you're an idiot.

insufferable morons who brag about going to a GA like you are what turns 'mainstream' people off and prevents it from becoming a populist movement

in conclusion shut the fuck up

[Truth]

It's the working class getting pissed off at the uncountable abuses of the investment class. We've seen this struggle throughout history.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stuff about unions and American Pride

No shit. It's a combination of government and corporate pandering to the population and to each other. It's a complicated web. Frankly I don't support the majority of unions because they are just as much a problem, but I have also seen when and how they do make a positive impact.

It's not as simple as you think. Yeah, some people are p. dumb when it comes to this shit but a lot of people realize that society at large is just as responsible for the big fuckup we're in as much as the government, private and public companies, as well as the investment trading racket on Wall St.

Basically:

This shit is fucked and we're all pissed.

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

insufferable morons who brag about going to a GA like you are what turns 'mainstream' people off and prevents it from becoming a populist movement

in conclusion shut the fuck up

honestly I do have to agree. A lot of people feel alienated because of the on-site GAs but in that same regard those that also choose no further action than to complain aren't helping and probably would make GAs last for hours on end because they refuse to educate themselves on the issues before going to vote on them. That's happened at the GA, here. Unnecessary and inappropriate blocks is kinda dicks, imo. GAs are meant to vote and in my opinion offer a local site with which to communicate ideas or assign tasks. It can also be done online and therefore should be an option. Considering, however, that not everyone has a computer, those that take the trouble to go down to an occupation should not be marginalized.

As part of the communications group I helped propose what should be a simple item: announce upcoming proposals 24 hours in advance and post them online if you can. That way the people that NEED to vote as a block or discuss it further can do so face to face. This allows people to not have to worry about GA every fucking night, which allows people to part-time it when necessary. Being at GA is not the end all of the entire movement.