Help me with stats for my Rogue. Been to long

[Hasbinbad]

You guys are dumb. lol.

100% offense = dead rogue. Velious geared or not.

You can't DPS if you're dead.

..also, you currently can't get more than 255 STR, so given that shaman buffs are available, there is absolutely no reason to bring your STR over 188. It's wasteful. 188 STR is easy to get, so why waste creation points on it, when you can add stamina and get a huge chunk of hps for free?

..also, the AC that AGI adds is so fucking negligible as to be next to worthless, and AC (while much improved) still does not do what it should on this server.

Basically, you guys are dumb. lol.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are dumb. lol.

100% offense = dead rogue. Velious geared or not.

You can't DPS if you're dead.

..also, you currently can't get more than 255 STR, so given that shaman buffs are available, there is absolutely no reason to bring your STR over 188. It's wasteful. 188 STR is easy to get, so why waste creation points on it, when you can add stamina and get a huge chunk of hps for free?

..also, the AC that AGI adds is so fucking negligible as to be next to worthless, and AC (while much improved) still does not do what it should on this server.

Basically, you guys are dumb. lol.

dude, there is no golden rule on stats and again, if rogues pull aggro then they deserve their death (talking expecialy about raid-encounters)

if you want to play this class seriously go full offensive...if you just want to hack and slash jff without timing your BS properly..go sta or better...choose a tank class.

[Otto]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dude, there is no golden rule on stats and again, if rogues pull aggro then they deserve their death (talking expecialy about raid-encounters)

if you want to play this class seriously go full offensive...if you just want to hack and slash jff without timing your BS properly..go sta or better...choose a tank class.

Trollllll

Because having a healthy balance of HP and resists is unimportant during kunark/velious.

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[Hasbinbad]

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Trollllll

Because having a healthy balance of HP and resists is unimportant during kunark/velious.

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You and I know he's a troll, but noobs might not.

Frustrates me that these guys spread misinformation to people who don't deserve it / know any better.

I hope the OP gleaned some knowledge from my and others' writings; I know it can be hard to ask for help sometimes. OP (and other noob rogues) if you ever have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Hit me up in game or via PM here.

[Weekapaug]

Rogues range from "good DPS" to "HOLY **** DPS" depending on gear and how well they are played...You really can't go wrong wherever you put your stats, honestly.

That said, when I created my rogue the conventional wisdom was to get all your melee stats to 75 then dump the rest into STA, but that was said of pretty much every class at the time. If I had it to do all over again, I would have gotten STA, AGI and DEX to 75, then put the rest in STR....Apparently STR calculates into ATK higher than worn/buffed STR and when you get to high level it's all about your ATK because that affects the calculation of every hit you make.

If you don't care about min/maxing, I wouldn't worry about it. Dump all your points into CHA and INT or something and you will still make a kickin rogue if you gear up and learn how to do your job right.

[Weekapaug]

*double post*

[Weekapaug]

Oh, and the "dead rogues do no damage" argument is kind of bogus here....That's really more for gear choices and what AA to prioritize. Dead wizzies do no damage either, nor do dead clerics heal, but I wouldn't exactly tell them to stick all their points in STA either.

Being "dead" or not is all about how you play your rogue, not where you stick your starting points. I would sweat keeping your Defense skill up as you level, more than I would where you put your points on creation.

It really comes down to weather you want to tweak up your ATK on creation, or HPS on creation, but neither are going to make or break you.

That said, I've never seen a rogue evaluated on his hit points or ability to tank. I have very often seen rogues evaluated on DPS parses compared to other rogues and DPS classes, though. If you want every hit to be the absolutely the highest it can possibly be in a given set of gear, put your points in STR. But again, you are still going to be laying down insane DPS even with no points in STR.

[fragmaster]

From what I remember the suggested STA at creation is 100. From there you can get the HP needed to stand up to raid AoEs.

[Hasbinbad]

I would like to see some evidence of this "starting STR factors into ATK more heavily than worn/buff STR."

So far, I have seen 2 random people say "i think i remembur it."

Till then, I call bullshit and advise people to stick with max STA in creation with the rest into STR.

I've been at the brink of death too many times in raids to believe anything else is worthwhile.

Also, I *do* top the parses in DPS, while staying alive (barely, sometimes), when many other rogues might (and often do) die. Evaluate that.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like to see some evidence of this "starting STR factors into ATK more heavily than worn/buff STR."

So far, I have seen 2 random people say "i think i remembur it."

Till then, I call bullshit and advise people to stick with max STA in creation with the rest into STR.

It's just a discussion, friend. I'm happy to do some research and see what I can find out. Not because you "call bullshit," you see, but because it would help people to know....You, know, the point of this discussion....on the "discussion" boards. If you would care to be helpful and present some "evidence" to the contrary yourself, then we all would benfit.

In the meantime, it's worth noting that a few people seem to remember this, at very least, being discussed. It may very well be the case. It may not. As I said in the other thread, I was skeptical at the time, and am really fuzzy about the details. But I do remember reading something about it, as do others, and it's entirely worth noting in any discussion about stats, rogue or otherwise.

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been at the brink of death too many times in raids to believe anything else is worthwhile.

Also, I *do* top the parses in DPS, while staying alive (barely, sometimes), when many other rogues might (and often do) die. Evaluate that.

As I also said in the other discussion, I went with STA myself and have never regretted it, although I can't ever remember just barely living through a fight and thinking "Boy, I'm really glad I put those exta points into STA" lol, but then I didn't start raiding till long after Velious, so on and on it goes. Hell, the argument could be made that higher ATK or even higher DEX + weapon procs on the rogues involved in an encounter might have meant that the mob would have died sooner sparing them death, and sparing those with high STA from "the bring of death." Not the way I would go, but it's a legitimate standpoint for someone to have, weather you or I agree or not. The only thing to "call bullshit" on, is your attitude, frankly. Nothing personal.

These debates can go round and round ad nauseum. The fact is, it's largely a matter of opinion and your anectdotal evidence is no more or less valid than mine or anyone else's. Why not just discuss the issue civilly and let everyone decide for themselves, eh?