Velious Solo/Duo Challenge Official Thread (and Trio/Group)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what? Thousands of people have done far more than you ever have. Most people just don't record themselves. There's not anything inherently different about killing something in Velious either, as compared to killing an equally difficult NPC elsewhere in the game world. Your videos show nothing special whatsoever. Everyone understands how to slow+torpor tank something on a Shaman and others do it with more efficiency than you and have killed much harder things than you.

As I keep saying, your attitude doesn't help you convince anyone.

Why would anyone want to do your challenge when you will just come back and say they suck every time? That it's all been done before and better (without proof)? You already discouraged Sscalez from posting more videos of challenges.

[Zuranthium]

I've never told anyone they suck for posting a video. This thread is not a place for your for deranged spamming. The purpose of the thread is to get input about the specifics of Velious MOBs. If you have nothing to contribute about the stats and engagement difficulty of high level Velious MOBs, do not post here.

I've now gone through and done a categorization of every high difficulty MOB in Velious. This was exhausting, especially having to type it all out in two different formats (one for the forum and one for the wiki).

Here are my current thoughts about the MOBs in KAEL DRAKKEL:

SOLO MASTER (29) : Adjutant Velsharek , Adjutant Thyek , Adjutant Strongaxe , Adjutant Stormkeeper , Adjutant Khellendor , Adjutant Jharll , Adjutant Hoggren , Adjutant Hekrandor , Adjutant Frinvan , Adjutant Frinevrn , Adjutant Droggren , Adjutant Derkan , Adjutant Daggeruk , Adjutant Cryyrn , Adjutant Brunkin , A cleric of Vallon Zek , Vealok the Angry , Noble Helssen , Bjrakor the Cold , A cleric of Tallon Zek , Veteran Yllhaydm , Veteran Surlren , Veteran Skeldek , Veteran Sjrelt , Veteran Mjrlind , Veteran Kltrem , Veteran Icecaller , Veteran Eiyloren , A visiting noble

SOLO GRANDMASTER (19) : Captain Bvellos , Armor of Zek, Sentinel Weldren , Sentinel Thurdiel , Sentinel Harzok , Sentinel Drakeslayer , Kyenka , Kallis Stormcaller , Semkak Prophet of Vallon , Gkrean Prophet of Tallon , Weyrevar Bluehammer , Wevek Redforge , Svekk Fangbinder , Pollos Stormkeeper , Kevelak Whitefang , Kellek Felhammer , Graggaz Fleshflayer , Bjorak Stonefist , A temple guardian

SOLO GOD (15) : Yetarr , A Protector of Zek , Fjokar Frozenshard , Vkaak, Keldor Dek'Torek , Sentinel Vellharn , Sentinel Thunderfist , Sentinel Sunderdrake , Sentinel Styiern, Sentinel Stonetrader , Sentinel Sellov, Sentinel Rethdeyn, Sentinel Fleshflayer , Sentinel Bvellor , Sentinel Brajnor

DUO GOD (12) : Dlammaz Stormslayer, Vkjen Thunderslayer, Velden Dragonbane , Sentinel Othkel, Sentinel Dragonbane, Sentinel Demek , Klraggek the Slayer, Irrek Bloodfist, Ymik, Weyen Stonetrader, Bendad the Trader, A Guardian of Zek

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never told anyone they suck for posting a video.

This simply isn't true. Two quick examples:

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thousands of people have done far more than you ever have...your videos show nothing special whatsoever..

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've not killed anything especially challenging on your youtube channel. You can't even get more than a 100 feet into Sebilis on your SK without dying. A druid killing a cliff golem is a bigger achievement than anything you've shown, since cliff golem is the highest tier you've done and you did with a shaman (a much more powerful class).

If Zuranthium thinks an Ionat kill is "nothing special", just imagine what he will say about your videos for easier kills. Just look at Zuranthium lying about my SK video.

Oh, and this thread where you attacked Sscalez's solo challenge video and trolled the wiki, to the point where he doesn't want to post anymore:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=441516

And then you made a Star Trek/Everquest/Game of Thrones fan fic where you violently torture Sscalez because he disagrees with you:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=442054

You cannot hide your bad behavior. Expect this kind of harassment from Zuranthium whenever you show off your videos here or whereever his challenge ends up.

[Tewaz]

This server isn't classic. 10 years of Velious isn't classic. Scroll out 3rd person, rooted dragons, life tap, item recharge, tab target, yada, yada, yada. It's all not classic.

And I still like it. Adding things to the server to try to actively make it more annoying to play are not worth it at this point. If you want to make the fix for your future super duper classic then do it. I probably won't play it.

Your vision will just lead to less players and an empty server with terrible channeling and pacify resists and no players would be...also not classic.

Good luck!

[Zuranthium]

It has nothing to do with "my vision", Trollwaz. Those are the factual classic EQ mechanics and they are acknowledged by devs as something that will be implemented.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It has nothing to do with "my vision", Trollwaz. Those are the factual classic EQ mechanics and they are acknowledged by devs as something that will be implemented.

Expect more wonderful responses like this when posting in this thread.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is not a place for your for deranged spamming. The purpose of the thread is to get input about the specifics of Velious MOBs. If you have nothing to contribute about the stats and engagement difficulty of high level Velious MOBs, do not post here.

Zuranthium insists that his thread stays on topic, right after he tag teamed with Samoht to ruin Sscalez's thread. He is fine with ruining other people's threads:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=441516

[loramin]

Zura: why pick fights for no reason? I mean, if your goal is to "win the forum", don't let me stop you: keep arguing. But if your goal is to build consensus for a Velious list, having unnecessary arguments just seems like self-sabotage.

IMHO there is no reason to fight over the future of anything now: we have plenty to fight about already in the present [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Quite literally, all fights over the future do is block progress on achieving anything in the present.

Or, to put it another way ... what terrible thing would happen if you stopped fighting everyone about Lull now, and just said "we can deal with it when the Lull changes happen"? Because the terrible thing that could happen if you don't is that we never reach consensus on soloing Velious mobs.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or, to put it another way ... what terrible thing would happen if you stopped fighting everyone about Lull now, and just said "we can deal with it when the Lull changes happen"?

The terrible thing that would happen is people would be getting categorized differently in the future and be upset about it. The tiers for a lot of MOBs would also need to be changed. A big headache.

It needs to be recognized now that using Lull is the same as getting pull help. Those spells will not work in the near future. The challenge is designed to be used for the entire existence of the server's lifetime. It's already been 10 years of no Velious challenge existing. Enchanters can deal with not being able to use Lull for this challenge. That's already what they're going to have to do. Need to face it now.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The terrible thing that would happen is people would be getting categorized differently in the future and be upset about it. The tiers for a lot of MOBs would also need to be changed. A big headache.

It needs to be recognized now that using Lull is the same as getting pull help. Those spells will not work in the near future. The challenge is designed to be used for the entire existence of the server's lifetime. It's already been 10 years of no Velious challenge existing. Enchanters can deal with not being able to use Lull for this challenge. That's already what they're going to have to do. Need to face it now.

I find it mind boggling that Zuranthium is worried about people being upset with regards to being categorized differently.

Zuranthium and Samoht literally trolled Sscalez thread into oblivion by trying to change a 10+ year old categorized system to lower Sscalez's category, and ruined everybody else's categories in the process.

Zuranthium didn't care how Sscalez felt:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=441516

Zuranthium even made a Star Trek/Everquest/Game of Thrones fan fic where Sscalez is violently tortured:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=442054

I don't see any empathy here.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The terrible thing that would happen is people would be getting categorized differently in the future and be upset about it. The tiers for a lot of MOBs would also need to be changed. A big headache.

But would they really get upset? Or would they just have the conversation you're trying to force now, under better circumstances?

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It needs to be recognized now that using Lull is the same as getting pull help. Those spells will not work in the near future. The challenge is designed to be used for the entire existence of the server's lifetime. It's already been 10 years of no Velious challenge existing. Enchanters can deal with not being able to use Lull for this challenge. That's already what they're going to have to do. Need to face it now.

Pulling rules have always been a part of the challenge; I'm not suggesting that change.

I'm just saying, why force fights that block your goals now, when you can delay those fights? Doing so would let you build consensus on everything else in the challenge first.

When the patch finally does come, you could change things based on the way patch actually changes Lull, instead of basing it on everyone's imagination of how it will be, based on the bug report. (And, BTW, when everyone has to imagine things, it's a whole lot harder to reach a consensus, because everyone imagines things differently.)

Plus, best of all, there would just be less fighting, because if you wait until the patch, 100% of the community would agree with you that it's time to worry about that problem.