Current state of blue vs. green?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by JayDee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know there are some roadblocks to merging like character slots and duplicate names but we need a merge. Why fragment a small player base when theyre identical servers in terms of timeline?

And blue is completely dead. Don't even think you can call it an mmo

Nah it's not a roadblock. For duplicate names, if a name exists on Blue you can only have that name on Green if you create the character from literally the same account that the character with said name on Blue is on. The staff already said (as early as Green launch) that they will add an "x" at the end of the Green char's name when the merge occurs. This is exactly what happened on live if you wanted to transfer your character to another server and your name was taken. Super easy.

For character slots, the staff warned people very clearly pre-launch that if you use the same account as you did for your characters on Blue, and you create more characters on Green such that the aggregate would be over 8, then you won't be able to utilize some characters when the merge occurs without deleting some. This was very clearly detailed and stated that there's nothing the staff can do about it (Titanium client issue) and if you don't heed the warning that's your choice. It's not an impediment to merge.

The only impediment is just the staff feeling like they want to use their unpaid free time to put in all the work. Eventually I feel like they will, but whether that's this year or a couple years from now is anybody's guess. I'm inclined to think it's more toward the former since they've recently been putting out patches that fix things much earlier in the timeline than Blue/Green are at currently.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by JayDee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know there are some roadblocks to merging like character slots and duplicate names but we need a merge. Why fragment a small player base when theyre identical servers in terms of timeline?

And blue is completely dead. Don't even think you can call it an mmo

Blue has overtaken red as my preferred place for unsociable play

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm talking about Bill Fisher and the guides/players/raiders vs the original old heads creative direction.

a argument that started prior/in beta and influenced kunark and velious

The original creative direction is what defines the game pre-Luclin. There were no "raiders" during beta, and it's not like those kinds of fights weren't already part of the game plan. The other input mainly influenced balance/tech, not overall design.

Bill Fisher's thoughts about the game are nothing like you're trying to say. He was hired because he was Brad's friend and Brad liked his RPG creativity. He also played MUD's before EQ. And as for raiding he cared about having cool encounters and guilds actually fighting content, he wouldn't want dumbass FTE racing and exploiting dumb NPC AI to be the gameplay. He specifically tried to fix some of that where he could, and wanted more dynamic game events and spawned encounters like the Ring 10 fight.

[Ekco]

>There were no "raiders" during beta

never said there was, the timeline from beta to velious is what i was talking about in my initial post, and what i said is literally what happened, i stopped caring about EQ at the time like 2 weeks into Kunark

velious being designed and catered for raiding with a ratio of like 95/5 with crystal caverns and whatever else making up the 5% was a design decision based on all the arguments that came before it that that i stated in my original post then you and the other dude brought up luclin for some reason in response to the original design and what we ended up with, Bill's side won and it ruined the game

hope this clears up any further confusion

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

velious being designed and catered for raiding with a ratio of like 95/5 with crystal caverns and whatever else making up the 5% was a design decision based on all the arguments that came before it that that i stated in my original post then you and the other dude brought up luclin for some reason in response to the original design and what we ended up with, Bill's side won and it ruined the game

That's not how it was designed and I don't know why you keep lumping Bill into it. Most of the Velious zones have ample amounts of group/quest content and the big thing about Velious was supposed to be the story element of different factions and picking one to side with.

And it's not about the existence of raid content, it's about how those raids were expected to be played. Nobody who worked on EQ wanted raids to be FTE racing or kite-fests or alt-fests.

[Ekco]

how am i lumping him into it? i said the entire guide to dev pipeline, and playerbase if you bothered to read what i said

nm ive realized i'm talking to a literal insane person and anyone who cares to fact check it can do it themselves, i literally haven't mentioned FTE, kiting or alts once

moving to resolved.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how am i lumping him into it? i said the entire guide to dev pipeline, and playerbase

The guide to dev pipeline and playerbase didn't just care about raiding, and Bill wasn't in that pipeline. He was hired directly as a designer and he cared a lot about worldbuilding.

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyone who cares to fact check it can do it themselves

You entered this thread by saying the original devs didn't have a vision, and "classic EQ as we know it" exists because of people who were later brought on and is mostly remembered as a raiding game. Those are false statements.

If you actually listen to the interview you're trying to reference, and some others, the original devs were running the show pre-Luclin and everyone was mostly working on what was already conceptualized, filling in the specifics of the parts of the game world they were given. Velious already existed on the planned map for the EQ world in the 90's and was already supposed to be a higher level area.

Had they been given more time to work on the game, things like individualized quests and world events and NPC behavior and tradeskills and guild battles and all the details and systems would have been further developed. They were always in a rush to get content out and it's a miracle they created what they did. The game as coded is not the ideal version of what they wanted, but the concepts are pretty clear.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

velious being designed and catered for raiding with a ratio of like 95/5 with crystal caverns and whatever else making up the 5%

Huh? What is this? What game are you logging in to? Are you posting from some sort of raid guild echo chamber where they warehouse themselves away in Temple Veeshan and forget the rest of the game even exists? Velious had more raid content than Kunark did, but it still was far removed from being the major part of the game. It was a little sideshow used only by a small minority. Most players never even level capped. Raiding wasn't the driving focus of expansion design until Planes of Power, and probably wasn't an actual majority of included content even then.

You had Temple Veeshan, Sleeper, and Growthplane for primary raid zones in Velious expansion. Kael Drakkel has a lot of both raid and nonraid content. Iceclad, FrozenShadow, East Wastes, CrystalCaverns, Great Divide, Velketor, Thurgadin, Icewell, Wakening, DragonNecropolius, Mischiefplane, Cobalt Scar, Skyshrine, Siren's, and West Wastes are all predominantly group content, sometimes with a few raid mobs thrown in, but mainly group content. Don't even think about Hateplane revamp because you also have Runnyeye revamp plus Warrens and Stonebrunt all during 2001 plus other various tweaked zones.

[JayDee]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah it's not a roadblock. For duplicate names, if a name exists on Blue you can only have that name on Green if you create the character from literally the same account that the character with said name on Blue is on. The staff already said (as early as Green launch) that they will add an "x" at the end of the Green char's name when the merge occurs. This is exactly what happened on live if you wanted to transfer your character to another server and your name was taken. Super easy.

For character slots, the staff warned people very clearly pre-launch that if you use the same account as you did for your characters on Blue, and you create more characters on Green such that the aggregate would be over 8, then you won't be able to utilize some characters when the merge occurs without deleting some. This was very clearly detailed and stated that there's nothing the staff can do about it (Titanium client issue) and if you don't heed the warning that's your choice. It's not an impediment to merge.

The only impediment is just the staff feeling like they want to use their unpaid free time to put in all the work. Eventually I feel like they will, but whether that's this year or a couple years from now is anybody's guess. I'm inclined to think it's more toward the former since they've recently been putting out patches that fix things much earlier in the timeline than Blue/Green are at currently.

What about names fhat are the same but with X at the end. Lets say late and latex. What about people trolling who make identical names but with an x at the end.

Also the character slots thing is hilarious. I do not see them erasing hard earned characters because they exceed the 8 character limit post merge. Imagine that character has legacy items vulak doze kt loot. Not gonna happen and it is too much work for the staff to retrieve and move those characters for 0 pay.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by JayDee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about names fhat are the same but with X at the end. Lets say late and latex. What about people trolling who make identical names but with an x at the end.

Also the character slots thing is hilarious. I do not see them erasing hard earned characters because they exceed the 8 character limit post merge. Imagine that character has legacy items vulak doze kt loot. Not gonna happen and it is too much work for the staff to retrieve and move those characters for 0 pay.

You can always make identical names with an X at the end. You could literally do that on the server right now lol. What an odd comment. Your first example is just confusing, as those are not duplicate names and therefore not relevant to your questions on a server merge.

They're not erasing the characters. They said that if you had more than 8 characters across Blue and Green on one account, then you (the player) would have to delete characters to access some of yours further down the list. The character still exists upon merge, but the Titanium client can't display it (characters are listed in alphabetical order - so you'd have to delete some further up the list to get the ones outside the 8 character limit to show up). You don't have to delete anything, and the staff aren't deleting anything either. But if you have more than 8 chars and you're trying to access one further down the list, you'll have some personal decisions to make.

They were VERY clear about this at launch. The warning is still there. They were very clear that there's nothing they can do about this issue so it's on you if you read the warning and for some inexplicable reason still choose to create more than 8 characters on one account across Blue and Green. To be honest, based on your comment it sounds like you may have made this mistake...sorry, but the staff made clear this was a totally at your own risk type of thing.