New Druid Advice from the experts - Page 16

DeathsSilkyMist · #**151** 05-14-2025, 05:12 PM

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How long will it take a low-level Druid (without a ring) to level from 17-22 ... ten hours? The wiki reports list nine players who got their ring in under ten hours, and the majority got it in five hours or less. The less lucky ones needed 6, 8.5, 10.5, 18, or 50+ (!) hours, and there are also reports (all ten hours or less) where no ring was acquired.

Prices tend to be more accurate than the wiki. If Goblin Ring was a 5 hour camp on average for higher level players, that means it is a camp where you make 1000 plat per hour on average.

1000 plat per hour is a great camp. Especially a camp that can be done at level 20 by any caster class, including Mages. For lower levels you would say 500 plat per hour with the 10 hour average. 500 plat per hour is still a great camp, especially for that level range.

If there's one thing I've done a lot of, it's buying and selling things in EC. If people knew of a camp where they could make 1000 plat per hour at level 40 or 500 plat per hour at level 20 with any caster class, it would be permacamped. Trust me when I say P99 plat farmers don't miss stuff like that. Especially a camp that's been around for 10+ years.

Now, take a look at two items like Silver Chitin Handwraps vs. Flowing Black Silk Sash. On green FBSS is 2k, and SCHW is 700pp. In most cases, SCHW is better than FBSS, but SCHW are still cheaper. Why? Because Frenzy was permacamped, the gloves weren't a particularly rare drop, and the market got flooded.

Goblin Ring would have followed the same path as SCHW if it was that easy to get. Like FBSS, the price of Goblin Ring is inflated due to rarity.

Even Fungi Tunic, probably the most popular item on P99, has dropped from 100k to 35k due to supply. Fungi Tunic is almost certainly a more common drop than Goblin Ring, and you need to be high level to do the camp. If Fungi Tunic isn't immune to a price drop due to supply, Goblin Ring certainly wouldn't be.

loramin · #**152** 05-14-2025, 05:15 PM

Yeah, it makes way more sense to make inferences based on the economy (of a server that's been locked in Velious for years) than to actually look at the reports of players (which don't happen to align with your "talking points") [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DeathsSilkyMist · #**153** 05-14-2025, 05:23 PM

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Yeah, it makes way more sense to make inferences based on the economy (of a server that's been locked in Velious for years) than to actually look at the reports of players (which don't happen to align with your "talking points") [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize the market is informed exclusively by players?

More people use EC than edit the wiki too.

You can choose to believe the market, which is influenced by literally the entire playerbase.

Or you can choose to believe the wiki, which is often wrong and edited by only a few people.

I'll pick the market every time.

loramin · #**154** 05-14-2025, 05:28 PM

So the drop rate of an item is the only thing that influences its price? The length the server has been around, the item's popularity, the perceived difficulty of the camp ... none of that impacts the price at all?

If so then yes, inferring the drop rate from the item price and ignoring all other data is definitely the smart move [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DeathsSilkyMist · #**155** 05-14-2025, 05:31 PM

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So the drop rate of an item is the only thing that influences its price? The length the server has been around, the item's popularity, the perceived difficulty of the camp ... none of that impacts the price at all?

Why do you think Fungi Tunic dropped in price from 100k to 35k? Goblin Ring and Fungi Tunic are both from Kunark, so they've been around for the same amount of time. Fungi Tunic is probably the most popular item on P99, used by more classes than Goblin Ring, and needs high level characters to farm it.

Why was Goblin Ring immune to such a steep drop in price when less classes use it, and it is supposedly so easy to get solo at low levels?

I explained my reasoning in the previous post:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=152

I am curious to hear your reasoning as to why Goblin Ring has remained at 5-6k in 2025 when it is so easy to get via solo low level players.

DeathsSilkyMist · #**156** 05-14-2025, 06:29 PM

For reference, Fungi Tunic was selling for around 60k near the end of 2015 on blue:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ed+Scale+Tunic

Goblin Ring was selling for around 7k at the same time on blue:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ht=Goblin+Ring

When SCHW were being sold on blue in 2015, people were selling them for thousands of plat. You can see 6k for Goblin Ring and 4.6k for SCHW.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...tin+hand+wraps

The price for Goblin Ring has only gone down maybe 1kpp on Blue over 9 years. Fungi Tunic has dropped 20-25kpp in the same time, and SCHW are like 300pp now.

I find it hard to believe that Goblin Ring is so easy to get by level 20 solo druids, but the price has barely changed in 9 years compared to Fungi Tunic and SCHW. HP Regen and Haste are huge boosts for any melee class, and even non-melee classes like Shamans.

bcbrown · #**157** 05-14-2025, 06:38 PM

I just checked and the 2-spawn is camped on green. One of the reasons I've never seriously tried to camp it is that the 2-spawn is usually occupied. I spent a ton of time there on my bard swarming goblins for skins and it was usually camped.

I think you're seeing the symptoms of a decade-old dying server with a population in the couple hundreds. Regardless, if there's a 10% chance of a ring drop in 10 hours spent leveling there, that's really good. If there's a 1% chance it's still worth considering. If there was no goblin ring it'd still be a good suggestion for a charming druid in the teens and low 20s.

DeathsSilkyMist · #**158** 05-14-2025, 06:43 PM

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I just checked and the 2-spawn is camped on green. One of the reasons I've never seriously tried to camp it is that the 2-spawn is usually occupied. I spent a ton of time there on my bard swarming goblins for skins and it was usually camped.

I think you're seeing the symptoms of a decade-old dying server with a population in the couple hundreds. Regardless, if there's a 10% chance of a ring drop in 10 hours spent leveling there, that's really good. If there's a 1% chance it's still worth considering. If there was no goblin ring it'd still be a good suggestion for a charming druid in the teens and low 20s.

If you look at the price data I just posted:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=157

Goblin Ring is clearly pretty rare, especially if it is camped often. You would see similar price drops to Fungi Tunic and SCHW with Goblin Ring if the supply of Goblin Rings was anywhere near the same, and campable by level 20s instead of level 50+ characters.

A decade old server with a smaller population usually suffers from high supply and low demand. Thus the price drops on Fungi and SCHW.

When price remains fairly constant, that usually indicates some combination of lower supply and higher demand. Considering Fungi Tunic is more popular than Goblin Ring, I doubt the issue is due to Goblin Ring having a huge demand compared to Fungi Tunic, while also having a similar supply.

Most likely supply for Goblin Rings is significantly lower. This shouldn't be the case if Goblin Ring is easier to acquire than Fungi Tunic, and has been around for the same amount of time.

bcbrown · #**159** 05-14-2025, 07:00 PM

It will never not be funny to me that in a thread titled "New Druid Advice from the experts" the guy with the most posts is the guy who said

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Haven't played a Druid beyond using guild bots for ports

DeathsSilkyMist · #**160** 05-14-2025, 07:05 PM

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It will never not be funny to me that in a thread titled "New Druid Advice from the experts" the guy with the most posts is the guy who said

As you can see, Bcbrown cannot rebut my points, and is going back to the argument from authority fallacy. Thank you for admitting defeat. This isn't the first time he's tried this fallacy in the thread. He just can't catch a break. His gotcha posts weren't working on me either.

Not really sure why he thinks you need to have played a Druid to understand item prices or supply and demand lol.

Just so we can equalize the argument from authority fallacy, Bcbrown has never used a Goblin Ring on his Druid. So he has no leg to stand on when it comes to this logical fallacy when discussing Goblin Ring:

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I took a druid to 60 charming as much as possible, and I've never had a goblin ring. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing...

I do have a Goblin Ring on my Enchanter, and I have charmed with it.