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Old 03-18-2025, 04:05 PM
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The fair rule would be you get your fine if you can't out run the fat police.
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Old 03-18-2025, 04:10 PM
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The fair rule would be you get your fine if you can't out run the fat police.
Im into it.

I wonder if RFK will get rid of all the high fructose corn syrup?

That would be incredible.

Also it is strange that in the eruope isle in the grocery store, when I look at the food ingredients in food is like milk, sugar, flour.

But in usa its liek Xexnafem, Zangangx, calcified gum, etc

I guess the reason we do that is because like, the science says it's not harmful, but in eruope they are all into witchcraft and peganism so they just assume the milk and sugar costs are worth it?
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Old 03-18-2025, 04:14 PM
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idk, fat tax / criminalisation seems very big government and against individual determinism.

Then again, it is important to protect dignity and human welfare - if abuse of humans is criminalised, why does self-abuse get a freepass?

Personally, I struggle to find sweetners I am happy with. This isn't a problem for me as I drink water, my hot drinks unsweetened and avoid sodas.

However, on the rare occasional I want a soda, perhaps I am treating myself to some spirits n coke, I'd rather it was full sugar and unsweetened. It is a bid sad my enjoyment of an occasional treat is collateral to people who chug 5+ litres of sugar solution a day. Bless them.
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Old 03-18-2025, 04:20 PM
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Also it is strange that in the eruope isle in the grocery store, when I look at the food ingredients in food is like milk, sugar, flour.

But in usa its liek Xexnafem, Zangangx, calcified gum, etc

I guess the reason we do that is because like, the science says it's not harmful, but in eruope they are all into witchcraft and peganism so they just assume the milk and sugar costs are worth it?
On a related note, why is vanilla flavour in EVERYTHING american?

Imo it is a mask which covers the quality of the other ingredients.

Recently been getting into Mackie's Icecream*. I think it would be fun to compare ingredients?

Whole Milk (60%), Whipping Cream (21%), Sugar, Milk Solids, Glycerine, Emulsifier (Mono- and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids), Pasteurised Free Range Eggs, Stabilisers (Sodium Alginate and Guar Gum)

No flavourings, just the real taste of sweet, pasteurised cream!


*not as in McD's fast food, but a scottish icecream/chocolate manufacturer.
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Old 03-18-2025, 05:26 PM
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Yea can’t really tax the food because anyone with an eating disorder isn’t going to fix their lifestyle just because junk is more expensive. The type of food matters, but for the very obese the problem is about the portions as much or more as the type

There’s still enough healthy foods that taste good enough for a person with an eating disorder to binge on even if junk weren’t available

A lifestyle tax would be a tough sell to muh freedom Americans. But I always wondered about some kind of tax rebate or free healthcare offered for those to conform to a certain standard of health

But then it gets muddled because how do we determine the standard? BMI is a bad marker, according to BMI a college football player is “obese” from their amount of muscle. vo2max would be great but is difficult to routinely measure, I believe it needs fancy equipment and a treadmill or some kind of workout simulator. Maybe fat caliper clippers or a dexascan to determine fat could work. But there can be a very skinny person, like a crack addict, who is far from healthy and just as much of a drain on healthcare
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Old 03-18-2025, 05:53 PM
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honestly we should just pass sweeping food ingredient legislation, remove all the petroleum by-products, HFCS, GMOs, anything with the label "contains a bioengineered food product", seed oils, glyphosate residue and whatever other garbage that nature itself did not produce.

Then reevaluate in a couple years and see where we are healthwise.

europeans are human they aren't less likely to overindulge than americans, their food is made with healthier ingredients. my brother has a real gluten problem and gets mad sick if he eats pasta sold in the US. He orders pasta from italy and digests it without any problems at all. I noticed that after a reasonable serving of that pasta I feel full, but if I get pasta from the grocery store here like barilla I can eat the whole box and still feel hungry. Something is preventing the "full" signal from getting to my brain.

I have a suspicion that something is corporate greed.
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Old 03-18-2025, 06:12 PM
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On a related note, why is vanilla flavour in EVERYTHING american?

Imo it is a mask which covers the quality of the other ingredients.

Recently been getting into Mackie's Icecream*. I think it would be fun to compare ingredients?

Whole Milk (60%), Whipping Cream (21%), Sugar, Milk Solids, Glycerine, Emulsifier (Mono- and Diglycerides of Fatty Acids), Pasteurised Free Range Eggs, Stabilisers (Sodium Alginate and Guar Gum)

No flavourings, just the real taste of sweet, pasteurised cream!


*not as in McD's fast food, but a scottish icecream/chocolate manufacturer.
I do like FatBoy ice cream sandwiches, like the vanilla variety, they typically contain fresh whole milk, liquid sugar, wafer cookies, cream, non-fat dry milk, and a stabilizer

Idk if its just subconscious or if it really is better than regular ice cream sandwiches, maybe I should do a test.
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Old 03-18-2025, 06:30 PM
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I do like FatBoy ice cream sandwiches, like the vanilla variety, they typically contain fresh whole milk, liquid sugar, wafer cookies, cream, non-fat dry milk, and a stabilizer

Idk if its just subconscious or if it really is better than regular ice cream sandwiches, maybe I should do a test.
I don't think I've seen a 'Fatboy'. I looked it up!

INGREDIENTS: Fresh Whole Milk, Liquid Sugar (Sugar, Corn Syrup), Wafer (Wheat Flour, Sugar, Dextrose, Palm Oil, Caramel Color, Contains 2% or less of the following: Corn Flour, Corn Syrup, Modified Corn Starch, Cocoa, Salt, Soy Lecithin, Baking Soda, and Mono & Diglycerides), Cream, Non-fat Dry Milk, Stabilizer (Cellulose Gel, Cellulose Gum, Mono & Diglycerides, Polysorbate 80, Carrageenan, Dextrose, Salt), Vanilla Extract.

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Table of Nutritional Information (per 100g serving)

Energy	                802kJ/192kcal
Fat	                11.0g
of which saturates	6.8g
Carbohydrate	        19.2g
of which sugars	        18.2g
Protein	                4.0g
Salt	                0.17g


They look fairly comparable.

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Old 03-18-2025, 06:36 PM
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I'll try mackies, comrade. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 03-18-2025, 08:33 PM
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My vice has been the DQ blizzard choco brownie extreme, medium size. I end up getting it maybe two or 3 times per month. What’s weird is depending on which DQ I get it from can significantly vary the taste but it’s always at least pretty good, to very good

I had gotten one the other night and realized that I had a lot of excess energy and calories afterwards. So I went on a night run at 1am. But I was sick of running the same park especially since in the dead of night the potholes and dog shit are harder to dodge

So I decided to run the empty city. What a trip, I loved it. Ended up doing about a 4-5 mile square down major city street sidewalks. Saw a dude walking his dog and another dude loudly arguing on his phone but otherwise no other people around. Was like I had the city to myself. Very enjoyable, will def do again but only late at night when no one is driving because I hate having to wait at streetlights and breathe car exhaust
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