Chira numbuh wan!

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Nevermind, found it finally:

”This raises a potential conflict of interest, as Musk's company was under investigation by USAID shortly before he began calling for the shutdown. Starlink's activity in Eastern Europe has been criticized, with many Russian operatives claiming to have access to Starlink despite Musk's assurances that only Ukraine was using the service.

Additionally, in September last year, Ukrainian forces downed a Russian drone that had a Starlink terminal integrated with its systems, raising questions as to how secure Starlink's operations during the Ukraine war are”

Ok well I wouldn’t believe anything Russia is saying about Starlink as far as I could throw them. Russia and especially their military is a propaganda machine, I’m assuming everything they say is a lie at baseline. And my assumption about what Ukraine military says isn’t much better, remember the Ghost of Kyiv?

Does a starlink terminal mean starlink access too? And how would USAID determine this? Shouldn’t it be investigated by our military tech?

/shrug, at least I found the investigation though

I think there is a pretty heavy astroturfing campaign to make it seem like trump is going to cut everything from everything and not just audit and shut down the corrupt stuff. Im sure there will be aid going out to places.

It's not like we had the SS mass deportations the media said we were going to have.

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Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

critical items like food and medicine aren't ordered to stop. usaid people are refusing their shipments to protest gutting the agency

👆 yea that.

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Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

critical items like food and medicine aren't ordered to stop. usaid people are refusing their shipments to protest gutting the agency

Where did you hear that?

This is all I could find with some cursory looking:

“The administration’s 90-day freeze on foreign aid, a stop-work order to review agency operations and the abrupt closure of USAID’s headquarters have stalled the aid distribution system, despite the administration’s claim that “life-saving humanitarian assistance” would be allowed to continue ”

- A 90 day freeze is a freeze. I don’t think it means “still send the baby formula though”

But then would critical items resume after 90 days? Or is the agency going to be shut down?

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Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think there is a pretty heavy astroturfing campaign to make it seem like trump is going to cut everything from everything and not just audit and shut down the corrupt stuff. Im sure there will be aid going out to places.

It's not like we had the SS mass deportations the media said we were going to have.

I dunno, I think both sides want this “Rampant Corruption At The Highest Level” summer 2025 Blockbuster and usually fraud is more subtle. Criminals are stupid. White collar criminals typically are not as stupid as the dude who shoots the store clerk in front of the cameras for $80

Dep’ts like the treasury are doing their own audits. If there’s fraud, we are also assuming that it isn’t some Joe Schmo transferring money from the gov’t into his account, because I guarantee their own audits wouldn’t like that. But this would be fraud that is endorsed by the treasury itself

Yea, there could be some. But is it going to be as rampant as people think? I’m skeptical. I’m also skeptical on thinking like the left does that Elon is some kind of supervillain who is going to shut the entire gov’t down to protect his scams. He’s no Lex Luthor, Lex Luthor would have come up with a better plan than that

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where did you hear that?

This is all I could find with some cursory looking:

“The administration’s 90-day freeze on foreign aid, a stop-work order to review agency operations and the abrupt closure of USAID’s headquarters have stalled the aid distribution system, despite the administration’s claim that “life-saving humanitarian assistance” would be allowed to continue ”

- A 90 day freeze is a freeze. I don’t think it means “still send the baby formula though”

But then would critical items resume after 90 days? Or is the agency going to be shut down?

USAID employees are just trying to make a problem happen, then they can blame it on Trump

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/politic...ine-rcna190565

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Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

USAID employees are just trying to make a problem happen, then they can blame it on Trump

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/politic...ine-rcna190565

That’s where I got my quote from too

It said it’s a freeze on ALL aid. Where are you extrapolating that it is somehow not a freeze on some aid? And what AID specifically has the gov’t chosen to continue during the freeze? I can’t find any information on that

To me it sounds like a blanket freeze for 90 days. I think the “critical assistance” mentioned by the executive admin is referring to what will continue AFTER the freeze

But I can find no information to support that there is only a partial freeze, not for [x] or [y] items, but that pissy workers are refusing to work. Again not saying it’s not true, I just can’t infer that with what I’ve read thus far

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, there could be some. But is it going to be as rampant as people think? I’m skeptical. I’m also skeptical on thinking like the left does that Elon is some kind of supervillain who is going to shut the entire gov’t down to protect his scams. He’s no Lex Luthor, Lex Luthor would have come up with a better plan than that

not likely the treasury but USAID was some little known agency that had good optics with the actual humanitarian aid it provides, so even if people noticed it doing funny things a politician isn't likely to call it out because it's bad optics to be seen as the one who cuts humanitarian aid

inside that organization they built a slush fund structure to channel taxpayer dollars to places of certain interest and influence

anytime that someone got too close or threatened their corrupt money streams, they could threaten to create a political incident by "screwing up" the humanitarian aid

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This was the post from me you quoted, I didn’t want to make it seem like I was ignoring your response so I had deleted it:

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Part of the reason I’m also skeptical is the more grandiose your fraud scheme (or any conspiracy theory) the less likely it becomes due to the human element

It’s the same reason the “9/11 was an inside job” theory never really interested me. Because obv it would involve the president and lots of others being aware of this secret plan to kill thousands of Americans and no one happened to spill the beans to get that book deal? Come on. I’m sure the theorists would say “they couldn’t talk because they’d know they’d die!” And it’s like that’s dumb too. Do you know how many people become snitches because they get a carrot dangled in their face and then die? Fucking LOTS. Someone would cave

I have the same line of thinking about the Treasury. If there is some fraud scheme, the larger it sounds and the more people either benefitting from it or aware of it, the more skeptical I become”

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Originally Posted by NopeNopeNopeNope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That’s where I got my quote from too

It said it’s a freeze on ALL aid. Where are you extrapolating that it is somehow not a freeze on some aid? And what AID specifically has the gov’t chosen to continue during the freeze? I can’t find any information on that

To me it sounds like a blanket freeze for 90 days. I think the “critical assistance” mentioned by the executive admin is referring to what will continue AFTER the freeze

But I can find no information to support that there is only a partial freeze, not for [x] or [y] items, but that pissy workers are refusing to work. Again not saying it’s not true, I just can’t infer that with what I’ve read thus far

“There’s a carveout for emergency feeding, so that’s supposed to be flowing through, yeah?” said Joe Cramer, director of the Michigan Bean Commission, which represents domestic bean growers. But he said that hasn’t been happening. “There’s a freeze on shipping anything,” he said.

“It is a Republican initiative, it is pro-life, pro-America and the most popular U.S. program in Africa,” Cassidy wrote on X. “There’s even a waiver acknowledging this, yet I’m told that drugs are still being held at clinics in Africa. This must be reversed immediately!!”

so somebody is refusing shipments because their slush fund got cut off, it says the drugs are at the clinics in africa so that means there is also doctors and staff and they are refusing to distribute which can only be an act of protest

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people only rat on drug rings and mafia operations when they are threatened with prison

in the federal gov't there are alot fewer actual cops who will come arrest you for directing around tax dollars here or there

for some of those people, there are no cops coming, they aren't directly stealing, they are doing favors for other favors or future favors, or because they personally believe in the ideology that they contribute to

every year they just tell congress how much money that they need for the next year and every year congress just says ok sure