monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=406923

It’s a fun read guys.

I am somewhat concerned at this point with your mental well-being. You seem to believe you are the guy everyone turns to for logs and data. But you literally never provide logs or data for the past 2 years.

How does that work? Why do you think this hurts me, or my evidence and points in a discussion? The logic here escapes me.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can beg me for my parses all you want. You can go get your own damn parses for all I care. Whether I post my parses or not ... whether you shit on them or not ... whether you care to believe them or whatever the heck you are inclined to believe ...none of it changes in game *reality*. Those with the tools and the experience know the truth.

Pearls before swine.

Troxx also apparently admitted he is closeminded and will never change his mind, because he knows *reality* better than everyone else. He also thinks people beg him for logs. Yikes. This has been a full Troxx meltdown. Take a break from the forums please, you need to relax.

[Eisai]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...never provide logs or data for the past 2 years.

...How does that work?

Found them! OnlyFans.com/DSMSandVagina they're behind a pay wall. (sorry! Please don't hate me! I couldn't resist! I promise it won't happen again.)

[Troxx]

lol

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Primal to primal the 2handers should win (at least for warriors and monks with innate triple attack).

Did you consider that the fist wraps are 15/20 instead of the normal 13/20? 15 dmg is particularly interesting to me because it is the cutoff where the min hit goes from 1 to 2 dmg.

I suppose I should just parse my 2h, but that means I'd have to log on. So out of the question at this point.

[Eisai]

15? Another bit of previously-unknown-to-me gleaned.

Is there a formula or just a table i could find for this sort of thing? I don't want to clutter this thread with my melee optimization questions and ruin the vibe.
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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

15? Another bit of previously-unknown-to-me gleaned.

Is there a formula or just a table i could find for this sort of thing? I don't want to clutter this thread with my melee optimization questions and ruin the vibe.
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https://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html

This is the damage bonus table being referred to. From my testing it is accurate.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you consider that the fist wraps are 15/20 instead of the normal 13/20? 15 dmg is particularly interesting to me because it is the cutoff where the min hit goes from 1 to 2 dmg.

I suppose I should just parse my 2h, but that means I'd have to log on. So out of the question at this point.

I would appreciate it if you did [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're 'fist weaving' you still eat the same damage shield and riposte as dual wield right?

Not quite. You can only punch once per 2hb swing, so the effective delay of the offhand fist equals the 2hb. This is usually much less than the delay of the offhand DW weapon so fist weaving will still eat less DS/riposte damage in absolute terms than DW. But yes, the ratio of dealt damage to DS/riposte damage will be closer to dual wield than that of the 2hb.

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you really need a controlled environment (cause, science) it might be best to strip down to weapons only to create a baseline unperverted by other factors that can create points of argument?

Stein wielding paladin spamming flash to remove dodge/riposte/etc. Fight stuff that take forever to whittle down but can't kill the pally either?

You don't really need that. It's easy to strip out ripostes while analysing logs. The real challenge is just that it takes a lot of time to gather a statistically significant amount of data (somewhere from a half hour to several hours per setup), combined with the fact that scientifically competent experiment design is not commonly taught at the high school level. I wrote up some of my thoughts on experiment design a while back:

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By no means am I a professional statistician, but I have worked with plenty. High quality statistical testing requires, at a minimum:

An explicit mental model of the world, with all assumptions stated clearly. You need to be able to articulate your understanding of the world before you can know whether your results indicate an improvement of that understanding.

An explicit hypothesis. You need to know what you are looking for in your experiment. Ad-hoc exploratory data gathering can be useful in trying to formulate a hypthothesis, but that exploratory data will not be useful in determining whether a hypothesis is confirmed or rejected.

An experiment design. You need to know ahead of time what data you wish to gather, how to gather it, and when to stop the experiment. An example of a flawed experiment would be trying to show that a certain gear combo causes a certain DPS increase, and then stopping your parse as soon as you show that DPS increase.

Sanity-checking the resulting data to confirm your assumptions have been met. If not, then your understanding of the world is flawed and your data unusable. You need to first run a different experiment to find and fix the flaws in your assumptions.

Run a well-defined, repeatable analysis. You need to know ahead of time what metrics you wish to calculate. You should also do some sort of calculation of statistical confidence, whether frequentist or Bayesian.

Scientific integrity. You need to publish your results whether or not they support your hypothesis. If the results violate some of your assumptions, you cannot rely on the results of any data analysis.

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember when the most important aspect of an argument was to be the undeniable winner? All you need here is the data - assuming you actually do want to win.

Or maybe this isn't about monks at all...

I think you're on to something here!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're on to something here!

If only Bcbrown ever called Troxx out for his lack of data. He never does for some reason. Yet he agrees with the sentiment that data is good. Strange.

[bcbrown]

You're assuming Eisai is talking about you in that last quote, but I do not share that assumption.