Another Agility Thread - Page 3

Jimjam · #21 09-17-2024, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's cool but we would need confirmation if P99 are using a post POP agi table.

The fact it caps out at 40+ and 255 agi suggests to me that Korak Sarathai derived this before the revamp, or it is unchanged from pre-kunark.

Jimjam · #22 09-17-2024, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knuckle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's cool but we would need confirmation if P99 are using a post POP agi table.

Found a similar table from early 2002 meaning it is from before the great monk nerf.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020625...cID=1462.topic

As the changes focused on ac caps, the table predates the nerf and as i reasoned in a previous post it looks like it has been untouched since vanilla release I suggest p99 should be using a similar table for agi avoidance ac calculation.

greatdane · #23 10-01-2024, 10:14 PM

The long and short of it is that agility gives nowhere near enough to ever care about or give anything up for. It isn't even worth a buff slot unless there are no other useful buffs available. Aside from the well-known breakpoint at 75 agility, the stat can be ignored entirely and the difference is invisible to the naked eye. It does almost nothing.

Salaryman · #24 10-03-2024, 09:47 PM

Agility effects pvp making it the most important stat, I am now stacking agi because i play on a real man's server RED99

Snaggles · #25 10-03-2024, 11:57 PM

*pretending to take notes*
That’s fascinating. Please go on.

Knuckle · #26 10-13-2024, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Found a similar table from early 2002 meaning it is from before the great monk nerf.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020625...cID=1462.topic

As the changes focused on ac caps, the table predates the nerf and as i reasoned in a previous post it looks like it has been untouched since vanilla release I suggest p99 should be using a similar table for agi avoidance ac calculation.

Now that is a good find! Feels like an archeology club digging up these old relics.

Jafir · #27 11-06-2024, 10:31 PM

Classic/Kunark/Velious Agility gave both Avoidance and Mitigation AC. Whether or not the formula on P99 adheres to that, I do not know. Here is a reference to mid-Velious, which still had a hard cap on Mitigation AC:

defense_agility_bonus method

Code:

if GetAGI() < 40: # penalty
  return (25 * (GetAGI() - 40)) / 40

if GetAGI() <= 60:
  return 0

if GetAGI() <= 74:
  bonus = 28 - (200 - GetAGI()) / 5
  return 2 * bonus / 3

# so 75+
bonus = max(200 - GetAGI(), 0)
if GetLevel() >= 40:
  bonus = 80 - bonus / 5
elif GetLevel() >= 20:
  bonus = 70 - bonus / 5
elif GetLevel() >= 7:
  bonus = 55 - bonus / 5
else:
  bonus = 35 - bonus / 5
return 2 * bonus / 3

compute_defense method

Code:

skill = max(GetSkill(SkillDefense), 0)
bonus = 400 * skill / 225 + defense_agility_bonus()

if IsClient():
  drunk = float(GetIntoxication() / 2)
  if drunk > 20.0:
    redux = min((110.0 - drunk) * 0.01, 1.0)
    bonus = int(bonus * redux)

return max(bonus, 1)

ac method

Code:

item_ac = 0
for slot in range(0, 21):
  item = GetItemPossession(slot)
  if item.IsValid and item.GetItemClass() == ItemClassCommon:
    item_ac = item_ac + item.GetItemAC()

if not IsMage():
  bonus = 4 * item_ac / 3

if IsClient() and bonus > 6 * GetLevel() + 25:
  bonus = 6 * GetLevel() + 25

weight_hardcap = 30
weight_softcap = 14

if GetLevel() > 59:
  weight_hardcap = 45
  weight_softcap = 24
elif GetLevel() > 54:
  weight_hardcap = 40
  weight_softcap = 20
elif GetLevel() > 50:
  weight_hardcap = 38
  weight_softcap = 18
elif GetLevel() > 44:
  weight_hardcap = 36
  weight_softcap = 17
elif GetLevel() > 29:
  weight_hardcap = 34
  weight_softcap = 16
elif GetLevel() > 14:
  weight_hardcap = 32
  weight_softcap = 15

if GetClass() == MONK:
  weight = GetWeight()
  if weight < weight_hardcap - 1:
    weight_bonus = float(level + 5)
    if weight > weight_softcap:
      temp_mod = min(float(weight - weight_softcap) * 6.66667, 100.0)
      weight_bonus = max(0.0, weight_bonus * ((100.0 - temp_mod) * 0.01))
    bonus = bonus + int(weight_bonus * 11.0 * 0.1)

if bonus < 0:
  bonus = 0

if GetClass() == MONK:
  weight = GetWeight()
  if weight > weight_hardcap + 1:
    weight_penalty = level + 5
    temp_mod = min(1.0, (float(weight) - 20.0) * 0.01)
    bonus = bonus - int(temp_mod)

if GetClass() == ROGUE:
  agi = GetAGI()
  if agi > 75 and GetLevel() > 29:
    LevelScaler = GetLevel() - 26
    if agi >= 100:
      LevelScaler = LevelScaler * 5
    elif agi >= 90:
      LevelScaler = LevelScaler * 4
    elif agi >= 85:
      LevelScaler = LevelScaler * 3
    elif agi >= 80:
      LevelScaler = LevelScaler * 2
    tmp_bonus = LevelScaler / 4
    bonus = bonus + min(12, tmp_bonus)

if GetRace() == IKSAR:
  bonus = bonus + min(35, max(10, GetLevel())

if IsMage():
  bonus = bonus + GetSkill(SkillDefense) / 2
else:
  bonus = bonus + GetSkill(SkillDefense) / 3

if GetAGI() > 70:
  bonus = bonus + GetAGI() / 20

if IsMage():
  bonus = bonus + TotalEffect(SPA_AC) / 3
else:
  bonus = bonus + TotalEffect(SPA_AC) / 4

if bonus < 0:
  bonus = 0

if IsClient():
  hardcap = 350
  if GetClass() == WARRIOR and GetLevel() > 50:
    hardcap = 430
  if (GetClass() == PALADIN or GetClass() == SHADOWKNIGHT or GetClass() == BARD) and GetLevel() > 50
    hardcap = 403
  if (GetClass() == RANGER or GetClass() == ROGUE or GetClass() == MONK) and GetLevel() > 50
    hardcap = 375
  if bonus > hardcap:
    bonus = hardcap

return bonus

That means you could have 12.75 Mitigation AC and 53.33 Avoidance AC from 255 Agility. Compared to 75 Agility where you get 3.75 Mitigation AC and 36.67 Avoidance AC.

Knuckle · #28 11-06-2024, 10:43 PM

Would be cool if there was a dev response on how AGI works on p99. really hard to confirm if any effect here.

Jimjam · #29 11-06-2024, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jafir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic/Kunark/Velious Agility gave both Avoidance and Mitigation AC.

Whether or not the formula on P99 adheres to that, I do not know. Here is a reference to mid-Velious, which still had a hard cap on Mitigation AC:

defense_agility_bonus method

Code:

if GetAGI() < 40: # penalty
  return (25 * (GetAGI() - 40)) / 40

if GetAGI() <= 60:
  return 0

if GetAGI() <= 74:
  bonus = 28 - (200 - GetAGI()) / 5
  return 2 * bonus / 3

# so 75+
bonus = max(200 - GetAGI(), 0)
if GetLevel() >= 40:
  bonus = 80 - bonus / 5
elif GetLevel() >= 20:
  bonus = 70 - bonus / 5
elif GetLevel() >= 7:
  bonus = 55 - bonus / 5
else:
  bonus = 35 - bonus / 5
return 2 * bonus / 3

compute_defense method

Code:

skill = max(GetSkill(SkillDefense), 0)
bonus = 400 * skill / 225 + defense_agility_bonus()

if IsClient():
  drunk = float(GetIntoxication() / 2)
  if drunk > 20.0:
    redux = min((110.0 - drunk) * 0.01, 1.0)
    bonus = int(bonus * redux)

return max(bonus, 1)

ac method

Code:

item_ac = 0
for slot in range(0, 21):
  item = GetItemPossession(slot)
  if item.IsValid and item.GetItemClass() == ItemClassCommon:
    item_ac = item_ac + item.GetItemAC()

if not IsMage():
  bonus = 4 * item_ac / 3

if IsClient() and bonus > 6 * GetLevel() + 25:
  bonus = 6 * GetLevel() + 25

weight_hardcap = 30
weight_softcap = 14

if GetLevel() > 59:
  weight_hardcap = 45
  weight_softcap = 24
elif GetLevel() > 54:
  weight_hardcap = 40
  weight_softcap = 20
elif GetLevel() > 50:
  weight_hardcap = 38
  weight_softcap = 18
elif GetLevel() > 44:
  weight_hardcap = 36
  weight_softcap = 17
elif GetLevel() > 29:
  weight_hardcap = 34
  weight_softcap = 16
elif GetLevel() > 14:
  weight_hardcap = 32
  weight_softcap = 15

if GetClass() == MONK:
  weight = GetWeight()
  if weight < weight_hardcap - 1:
    weight_bonus = float(level + 5)
    if weight > weight_softcap:
      temp_mod = min(float(weight - weight_softcap) * 6.66667, 100.0)
      weight_bonus = max(0.0, weight_bonus * ((100.0 - temp_mod) * 0.01))
    bonus = bonus + int(weight_bonus * 11.0 * 0.1)

if bonus < 0:
  bonus = 0

if GetClass() == MONK:
  weight = GetWeight()
  if weight > weight_hardcap + 1:
    weight_penalty = level + 5
    temp_mod = min(1.0, (float(weight) - 20.0) * 0.01)
    bonus = bonus - int(temp_mod)

if GetClass() == ROGUE:
  agi = GetAGI()
  if agi > 75 and GetLevel() > 29:
    LevelScaler = GetLevel() - 26
    if agi >= 100:
      LevelScaler = LevelScaler * 5
    elif agi >= 90:
      LevelScaler = LevelScaler * 4
    elif agi >= 85:
      LevelScaler = LevelScaler * 3
    elif agi >= 80:
      LevelScaler = LevelScaler * 2
    tmp_bonus = LevelScaler / 4
    bonus = bonus + min(12, tmp_bonus)

if GetRace() == IKSAR:
  bonus = bonus + min(35, max(10, GetLevel())

if IsMage():
  bonus = bonus + GetSkill(SkillDefense) / 2
else:
  bonus = bonus + GetSkill(SkillDefense) / 3

if GetAGI() > 70:
  bonus = bonus + GetAGI() / 20

if IsMage():
  bonus = bonus + TotalEffect(SPA_AC) / 3
else:
  bonus = bonus + TotalEffect(SPA_AC) / 4

if bonus < 0:
  bonus = 0

if IsClient():
  hardcap = 350
  if GetClass() == WARRIOR and GetLevel() > 50:
    hardcap = 430
  if (GetClass() == PALADIN or GetClass() == SHADOWKNIGHT or GetClass() == BARD) and GetLevel() > 50
    hardcap = 403
  if (GetClass() == RANGER or GetClass() == ROGUE or GetClass() == MONK) and GetLevel() > 50
    hardcap = 375
  if bonus > hardcap:
    bonus = hardcap

return bonus

That means you could have 12.75 Mitigation AC and 53.33 Avoidance AC from 255 Agility. Compared to 75 Agility where you get 3.75 Mitigation AC and 36.67 Avoidance AC.

Very interesting. On live, if you use a monster shroud and spend shroud AA on agility your mitigation ac rises too. I wonder whether a similar system is in use there.

Snaggles · #30 11-07-2024, 12:08 AM

A 60 shaman can buff over 129 agility and heal a monk against a normal blue con forever.

There is nothing stopping anyone from parsing this. Aside from it being silly and painfully boring.