Mage epic

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your argument is that things aren't classic currently because people outside Castle are all paying Hate farmers for an MQ.

No, my argument is that Hate tracking is unclassic ... because no one tracked Hate back then. A solo Enchanter tracking Hate spawns (and then killing them by himself) NEVER HAPPENED IN '99-'01! Even guilds having trackers up there NEVER HAPPENED!

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got my bard epic on live via an MQ, had the whole thing done except was missing one of the scales.

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

back in like 2000 i had a friend who was this rich chinese kid and he was selling lvl 50 accts, items, and for a price would go out and grind, quest, camp or just play the game for you.

I may have known that same kid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. The (Chinese) friend that got me into the game made good money RMTing ... and after he left the game, I got to use his Druid for two-boxing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So look, I have zero illusions that selling items (for plat or RMT), 2-boxing, or other craziness happend on live. I participated in plenty of it.

But this isn't live: dual-boxing isn't allowed here, even though it was classic. Why? Because allowing it would make the server overall a whole lot less classic ... just like the Hate safe spot.

Finally, I just want to quote Nilbog from when he first announced the server, over a decade ago:

Originally Posted by Nilbog

- btw, The Plane of Fear will own you in the face, GL on your lustrous russet.

P99 was never supposed to be for lazy people who want things handed to them by unclassic easy EQ: it was supposed to be "hard mode", for people who wanted the real game from '99-'01.

Real classic "hard mode" EQ requires going up to Hate to check on mobs.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I may have known that same kid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. The (Chinese) friend that got me into the game made good money RMTing ... and after he left the game, I got to use his Druid for two-boxing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you live in PA at that time?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you live in PA at that time?

No, CA [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NEVER HAPPENED IN '99-'01! Even guilds having trackers up there NEVER HAPPENED!

Ah but here's the flaw in your argument, like many other "non classic" arguments you've made before. You just use your own memory/server's experience to declare what you believe to be non-classic. Hate tracking could've happened in the classic era on other servers (certainly by late 2001 right before Luclin came out I wouldn't be surprised if it was happening - by then in terms of knowledge/ability people were WAY far along). Just because you don't remember it happening on your server doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Just look at your statements on MQ for example. You insisted it wasn't a common practice in the classic era (probably based on your experience/memory of your own server) but you can find lots of comments talking about MQing as early as 2000 pre-epic era.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah but here's the flaw in your argument, like many other "non classic" arguments you've made before. You just use your own memory/server's experience to declare what you believe to be non-classic. Hate tracking could've happened in the classic era on other servers (certainly by late 2001 right before Luclin came out I wouldn't be surprised if it was happening - by then in terms of knowledge/ability people were WAY far along). Just because you don't remember it happening on your server doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But what I keep repeating ... and what no one seems to want to address ... is that no one (or virtually no one) was tracking Hate in '99-'01. 99% of players didn't have two accounts. Less than 10% of those that did had Rangers. At least 50% of those players didn't have internet connections that lasted that long ... and only some small percentage of those had any idea there even were safe spots in Hate.

Back in classic EQ there was no single human staring at their computer waiting for Magi to pop; it simply never happened. But it's the default here: it's how virtually every Mage on the entire server (excluding Castle ones who get it on quakes) get their epic.

Virtually every mage on the server is doing something 100% unclassic for their most important quest ... all I'm saying is, that contrasts sharply with the "Classic EverQuest" in the logo in the upper-left.

[cd288]

So you responded to my comment that the only thing you offer as a non-classic argument is your own opinion/recollection of your server by...doing the same thing as I said you are doing? Interesting strategy.

As an aside, I find it slightly ironic that you mention technological limitations as one of the reasons in your comment...yet you totally disregard technological limitations as arguments that have made against you on other debates.

[loramin]

I responded with basic logic. If you are capable of following basic logic, then stop criticizing me for using logic, and use your brain to point out the flaw in my logic ... if such a flaw exists.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I responded with basic logic. If you are capable of following basic logic, then stop criticizing me for using logic, and use your brain to point out the flaw in my logic ... if such a flaw exists.

So now your own experience/recollection from your play server back in the day is defined as basic logic. Got it.

[loramin]

So you have no rebuttal to my logic; got it.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you have no rebuttal to my logic; got it.

The rebuttal is the simple statement that claiming "this is what I remember so this means it's not classic" or "this is how it was on my server so that's how it was in all of EverQuest" is illogical and nonsensical (which is ironic seeing you call it logic).