DPS: Monk vs. Warrior vs. Rogue vs. Ranger

[Naethyn]

Attack absolutely does not increase your max damage. Attack increases your average damage in a similar way that mob AC reduces your average damage.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On the subject of rounding dmg, how does this work woth the 20 damage intervals? Is it round up to 1 otherwise round to closest?

for i=1,20

if((i/10*dmg)<1,1,ROUND(i/10*dmg))

What would be the best way to check? A 10 dmg vs 3 dmg weapon on a low level caster?

Depends. What line is that code? If the result is stored in an integer type variable, generally speaking it will always round down on a positive value, and up on a negative.

[Jimjam]

It’s a garble of lua and xml i just made up as an hypothetical example [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you suggesting the first few di with a low dmg weapon like dagger* would hit for zero damage?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s a garble of lua and xml i just made up as an hypothetical example [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you suggesting the first few di with a low dmg weapon like dagger* would hit for zero damage?

Most likely the value is clamped at 1 as a minimum, so you'd always hit for at least 1. But a value like 1.7 would still round down to 1 if it was just being stored in an integer without any other rounding done to it beforehand.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Attack absolutely does not increase your max damage. Attack increases your average damage in a similar way that mob AC reduces your average damage.

I'm very curious what you believe impacts your max damage. Weapon, strength, level, anything else? Does offensive skill matter?

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you suggesting the first few di with a low dmg weapon like dagger* would hit for zero damage?

I would love for someone to fully explain the Damage Interval mechanic, because how I've heard it described does not match either my understanding of the emulator code, nor the logs I've looked at.

That said, here's the emulator code that I think is applying the DI mechanic:

There's a method, RollD20(int offense, int mitigation), that returns a number between 0.1 and 2.0. I think this is where attack and defense values are compared to determine if hits will skew higher or lower.

This number [roll] is used inside MeleeMitigation to adjust the damage done:

hit.damage_done = std::max(static_cast<int>(roll * static_cast<double>(hit.base_damage) + 0.5), 1);

So it takes the "base_damage", multiplies it by a number between 0.1 and 2.0, adds 0.5, converts to int (which rounds down iirc, so 3.9 becomes 3), then if it's below 1, sets it to 1.

So, to start, none of the DI intervals will have zero damage, there's always a minimum of 1. Secondly, if the damage of a weapon is low enough, more of the damage intervals will end up at the minimum value of 1.

E.g., if "base_damage" is 10, the 20 intervals will be 1, 2, 3, ..., 19, 20. If the "base_damage" is 3, 0.4 * 3 + 0.5 is 1.7, truncated to 1, so the intervals will be 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, .., 6.

So low-damage weapons end up with multiple intervals clamped at the minimum value.

References:
https://github.com/EQEmu/Server/blob...tack.cpp#L1050

https://github.com/EQEmu/Server/blob...ttack.cpp#L999

[Jimjam]

Thanks guys, those are really insightful answers and good jumping off points!

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hit.damage_done = std::max(static_cast<int>(roll * static_cast<double>(hit.base_damage) + 0.5), 1);

So it takes the "base_damage", multiplies it by a number between 0.1 and 2.0, adds 0.5, converts to int (which rounds down iirc, so 3.9 becomes 3), then if it's below 1, sets it to 1.

This explains the 15 dmg magical cutoff for the lower bound, but also mean every X5 (25, 35, etc) bumps the lower bound by 1. Neat.

[Toxigen]

who fkin cares its 2024 just get your items and play holy fuck

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who fkin cares its 2024 just get your items and play holy fuck

Nobody cares that you don't care. I am not sure why you are trying to stop discussion on a forum. Some people do care, and like discussing it.

[Naethyn]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing