Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[Nedala]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try harder how? I wasn't flaming TR, I was saying 45 isn't a zerg and just because you have more people it doesn't mean you're zerg or unskilled.

Sorry, i wasnt refering to you but to fists, i didnt see you had posted in between.

[Ring]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think as far as 'moral' goes here we all agree leapfrogging is a dick move. Racing for CT or entering fear after another guild is not leapfrogging, that is a different situation. Waiting until a guild pulls Rokyl and then rush past them is leapfogging. If they are pulling the first 2 giants and you run by is not if the target is Nagafen. Waiting for them pull first few giants then running up and tagging Tranix is much the same.

Someone has their raid sitting outside Innoruuks room and is pulling some roamers from there and as they do you rush in to gank Inny is leapfrogging. If they are at the zone in or church and you move up, obviously not.

If a raid is forming for Trakanon at the zone in and you log in at the ledge or run down first it is not leapfrogging. If they are pulling from the door before juggs/reets and your raid logs in at the ledge I would not call that leapfrogging, just smarter positioning. Now if they are at the bridge and are pulling the juggs before Trak and as they pull the last one your raid rushes in to gank Trak that is leapfrogging to me.

Now there are areas that may be gray or disputed but some are clear cut. No one wants or thinks TR should sit back and let other people get all the mobs. I do not want this. It is being respectful of other players. If another raid is in sky setting up for a dojorn pull don't hurry port up and pull it as fast as you can. I would say treat it much the same as normal camps. If they engage within a reasonable time let them try. If they don't engage, then you should be able to. I'm not saying give them an hour to engage but waiting for a guild to pull Rokyl then run someone up past them to claim FTE on Nagafen isn't kosher as far as the majority of this server goes. TR wasn't alone in the situation that has developed as far as the rules and interactions between raid guilds go but you have been in position to affect positive changes.

Your whole post is arbitrary bullshit. There's no way to establish what is and isn't leapfrogging, what is / isn't a douchebag move without the whole server chiming in. Why don't you just learn to play by the established FTE rules and get on with your lives.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

There is a way you dolt. You have the guild leaders of any legitimate raid force sit down, and I guarantee you it will end up fair and most likely similar to live.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is unfortunate that TMO has to sink to the level of TR but for us to compete we have to sink to the lowest common denominator to get mobs.

I apologize to any other guild and we honestly dislike to TR comparison being made but we understand WHY its being made.

I hope in the coming months when the raid scene has calmed down a bit and if VP opens we can all step back a bit with the ultra-competitiveness and try and be a little kinder to the smaller guilds.

TMO is in the process of finishing our Naggy alt force but i doubt we will put too much interest in it compared to the guilds who are trying to get into the raid scene or TR who is just killing them to stifle other guilds.

^^ and that came from the one dude who baits your members to incessant flamefests on the forums. Even though it's STILL riddled with verbal doodoo, i can sense a somewhat sincere thought amongst the pile of smelly poo, and it sort of looks like he understands where a lot of us are coming from. He couldn't resist a jab or two, just like you guys can't, but at least he's willing to admit that there's an issue at hand.

[Ring]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a way you dolt. You have the guild leaders of any legitimate raid force sit down, and I guarantee you it will end up fair and most likely similar to live.

Good luck with that chump

[Fists]

Nedala, this is why you are retarded, and a hypocrite. Cite back 8 pages to your post about how TMO zergs and how you guys are so great and never show up with over 40. Do you see what you did there? You A. completely invalidated your point 8 pages ago with this new post, B. make your guild look retarded with excuse after excuse, and C. make me laugh. NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE, and as a TMO member, am speaking as a whole for TMO. No one gives a fuck about how few or how many you have. Your posts are pointless.

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Fists [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nedala, this is why you are retarded, and a hypocrite. Cite back 8 pages to your post about how TMO zergs and how you guys are so great and never show up with over 40. Do you see what you did there? You A. completely invalidated your point 8 pages ago with this new post, B. make your guild look retarded with excuse after excuse, and C. make me laugh. NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE, and as a TMO member, am speaking as a whole for TMO. No one gives a fuck about how few or how many you have. Your posts are pointless.

one big contradiction lol

You seem to care, lots.

[Dravingar]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a way you dolt. You have the guild leaders of any legitimate raid force sit down, and I guarantee you it will end up fair and most likely similar to live.

You do know that leapfrogging, KS"ing, Training, Highsunning, killing triggers, kiting, etc...etc.. happened on live servers right? I'd actually even say that it happens less here than it did on live.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Dravingar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do know that leapfrogging, KS"ing, Training, Highsunning, killing triggers, kiting, etc...etc.. happened on live servers right? I'd actually even say that it happens less here than it did on live.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14667

except for the douchebag rule -- it's there to take up space

[Dravingar]

Q: What classifies a mob as "Engaged"?
A: A mob is classified as engaged as long as it has aggro on at least one player.

Q: Can we camp raid mobs?
A: If you choose to lay a claim to an unspawned raid npc, your raid must be at the npc's spawn point with sufficient force. (within aggro range of the npc when it spawns, with at least a 15 member raid party). e.g. (inside Nagafen's Lair) This is the ONLY way claims of unspawned raid targets will be respected.

Q: Both raids got here simultaneously. What do we do?
A: In the rare case that both raids feel they got there first than you can work out a compromise on your own.

And those are the rules which weren't broken.

I was just pointing out he claimed live was a land where guilds worked together and held hands skipping off into the sunset.

I, on the other hand remember how it actually was which was way worse than this server due to GM's actually caring if you train/get trained/KS"d.