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[Crede]

Originally Posted by Lowako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thank god someone has actually pointed this out. I've never understood why people act like regen on shaman is useless at 60 because it has less value when torpor is active, completely discounting the fact that torporing yourself has a non trivial opportunity cost. the way people talk here make it sound like torpor is just a passive 300hp regen effect that costs 0 mana and has 0 drawback to it.

Exactly! It’s because of people like DSM who just keep spreading bad advice. He will sit here and say 20 int iis useful but regen isn’t, lol.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lowako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thank god someone has actually pointed this out. I've never understood why people act like regen on shaman is useless at 60 because it has less value when torpor is active, completely discounting the fact that torporing yourself has a non trivial opportunity cost. the way people talk here make it sound like torpor is just a passive 300hp regen effect that costs 0 mana and has 0 drawback to it.

Plenty of other Torpor Shamans agree with me if you simply look at their gear choices and race choices.

Why do they get Vindi BP and use it instead of Fungi Tunic? Because the 13 regen they are losing isn't noticeable enough to care about with Torpor.

Why do they pick Barbarian for fashion? Because the 8 regen they are losing isn't noticeable with Torpor.

Everybody would be Troll Shamans if it made enough of an impact to be noticeable.

Basic logic seems to be lost on people because they assume advantages are always going to actually give you a meaningful improvement.

Do not assume people are incorrect simply because other trolls say so.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He will sit here and say 20 int iis useful but regen isn’t, lol.

I never said this. Your problem is you literally make stuff up and then assume its true. Why should anyone believe an obviously delusional person like yourself?

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Lowako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thank god someone has actually pointed this out. I've never understood why people act like regen on shaman is useless at 60 because it has less value when torpor is active, completely discounting the fact that torporing yourself has a non trivial opportunity cost. the way people talk here make it sound like torpor is just a passive 300hp regen effect that costs 0 mana and has 0 drawback to it.

As a 60 shaman actively playing you should never be at 100% HP except maybe when torpor is active and you can't keep up, through canni with GCD resets. Torpor will not be active 100% of the time. Constant regen is extremely powerful even with torpor for this reason; nevermind less mana spent on torpor. DSM should not be saying shit like this and writing shaman guides.... not benefiting from regen is a him problem.

I get that not everybody wants to play EQ with high APM, great. But in a discussion about maximizing your character it makes him look like a fool.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a 60 shaman actively playing you should never be at 100% HP except maybe when torpor is active and you can't keep up, through canni with GCD resets. Torpor will not be active 100% of the time. Constant regen is extremely powerful even with torpor for this reason; nevermind less mana spent on torpor. DSM should not be saying shit like this and writing shaman guides.... not benefiting from regen is a him problem.

I get that not everybody wants to play EQ with high APM, great. But in a discussion about maximizing your character it makes him look like a fool.

Just read my shaman guide, you will see why you are so incorrect here. Basic math proves you wrong, but you never care about evidence.

You will be at 100% HP/Mana out of combat as a good Shaman. Torpor gets you there in 3 minutes or less. In combat, fights never last long enough to give you a significant advantage from a bit of regen.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a 60 shaman actively playing you should never be at 100% HP except maybe when torpor is active and you can't keep up, through canni with GCD resets. Torpor will not be active 100% of the time. Constant regen is extremely powerful even with torpor for this reason; nevermind less mana spent on torpor. DSM should not be saying shit like this and writing shaman guides.... not benefiting from regen is a him problem.

I get that not everybody wants to play EQ with high APM, great. But in a discussion about maximizing your character it makes him look like a fool.

I agree with this. DSM is basically “ignore any Form of regen and roll ogre” and has been trying to spread this for years. People should know the value of passive regen that perfectly complements torpor.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with this. DSM is basically “ignore any Form of regen and roll ogre” and has been trying to spread this for years. People should know the value of passive regen that perfectly complements torpor.

Again, when you look at level 60 Shamans, they agree with me.

Vindi BP being best in slot instead of Fungi is all the proof you need. Just inspect some level 60 Shamans next time you are in game.

Nobody cares that two known trolls agree with each other lol. You are both wrong, and care more about trolling than finding the truth.

As I have stated before and in my guide, Regen is obviously much more important before Torpor, when you don't have the option of getting +300 regen per tick.

[Crede]

I see you already got in a debate with people on this.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=401554&page=6

The consensus was a toss up basically vindi bp when you need the resists otherwise fungi. This wasn’t even factoring in the additional 23 from regrowth/racial. You’re literally the only Person who thinks 42/tick is useless when you have torpor.

Like Lune said, not liking regen is a you problem. You can keep spreading lies but we will continue to defend the truth. A good shaman should be taking advantage of regen at every chance they get.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see you already got in a debate with people on this.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=401554&page=6

The consensus was a toss up basically vindi bp when you need the resists otherwise fungi. This wasn’t even factoring in the additional 23 from regrowth/racial. You’re literally the only Person who thinks 42/tick is useless when you have torpor.

Like Lune said, not liking regen is a you problem. You can keep spreading lies but we will continue to defend the truth.

You can keep ignoring all the Shamans who wear Vindi BP over Fungi and don't swap to Fungi. You can keep lying and say that nobody agrees with me.

Why are you making up lies and saying I dislike Regen lol? I would love to see where you think I said that. Reading comprehension is an issue of yours it seems.

This doesn't make you correct. You are sticking your head in the sand and making up lies because you are a troll.

Basic math agrees with me too. You can read my Shaman guide and watch my videos to see actual evidence that supports my position. The playerbase agrees with me when you look at their gear choices. You are simply spreading false information because you want to troll me.

Please stop. You are causing confusion out of childish spite.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Croco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guys you don't understand I cut my leg off and I can very easily walk around and live a perfectly normal life with one leg. All you trolls who keep saying 2 legs are superior don't know what you're talking about. I found someone who also only has one leg (but the opposite leg as me) and we split the cost of a pair of shoes. Everyone should be cutting a leg off. The data on this is clear, it's not even close.

Thank you for continuing to show you are a troll. A bad one too, considering how poor your analogy is lol. Why do you think making a fool of yourself is helping your position?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPxeOVuX0G8 - Here is a video of me soloing Ionat. I am using Fungi Staff here, because I can. I have no problem doing this fight with or without Regrowth. I am wearing Vindi BP instead of Fungi Tunic.

I was taking damage for 21 minutes. With Fungi Tunic (+13 since I am using Vindi BP which has +2) + Troll Regen (8) I would have gained an extra 4400 HP (3-4 Torpors depending on server tick) during the fight. Please show me where the 3-4 Torpors would have helped in this fight. If you can't show it, then you are only using the extra regen to save 2 minutes on recovery time. If I did choose to put on Fungi Tunic, a Troll would only have 1 extra Torpor over myself, which is saving 30 seconds of recovery time. 2 minutes of recovery time isn't going to help when you have 30+ minutes of waiting for a repop when camping a named mob. You will have recovered your resources anyway.

Mathematically I am correct that Regeneration is providing very little benefit when you have Torpor, even when looking at a fight on the far end of the spectrum when it comes to time required. The shorter a fight lasts, the less benefit you are getting from Regeneration. This is because a good Torpor Shaman will always recover their HP/Mana after a fight. When Torpor takes 3 minutes or less to get you from low HP/Mana back to full https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZxMlJSCDc , why wouldn't you do that? You are lowering your risk of death by not running around with half health and mana.

You never actually bring any evidence to back up your position, so I won't hold my breath that you will do anything other than continue to provide insults that just make you look silly. Honestly you are ruining your credibility yourself with terrible analogies like that. You should think a little harder at least before trying to post.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPxeOVuX0G8

You are clicking your spells and pet commands. You could have finished or nearly finished malo before the dragon got to you if you reset your cooldown. You are inconsistently resetting cooldowns and when you do it is usually slow as molasses. I could get in twice as many canni's as you do in a unit of time (no wonder you don't perceive a strong impact from regen). You know you don't have to right click your epic, right, you can bind it to a hotkey and use that? You were rarely at 100% HP during this fight and are arguing that regen is pointless. It would have immensely benefited you over the entire 21 minute fight. Less time spent managing your sustain means more JBB use and a faster kill. Fact of the matter is, the mob you are killing is fairly foolproof for your gear. An iksar could have done it.

I'd love to watch you try to handle a room full of casters with your boomer reflexes.

You are not a particularly skilled player, especially when it comes to squeezing more canni's between torpors by using faster GCD resets (not to mention near complete absence of logic and bad decision-making on big picture stuff). The prognosis does not look good. I recommend chemo and being a buffbot.

It's fine in Everquest to not min/max or do everything perfectly, but you are literally in a discussion about pushing the margins of your character when you have bad fundamentals. You would see orders of magnitude more benefit to your play by cycling canni's faster than any of these considerations you are talking about such as race, regen, other gear.