Best trio to self farm gear/dungeons

[Lampolo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Computer programs are built on math and rules. You can calculate the average DPS of any given monster and determine how much healing is needed to mitigate the damage.

Technical vagrancy right on que. Thank you

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Technical vagrancy right on que. Thank you

Either you are trolling, or have a very poor understanding of computers. It doesn't hurt my argument when you make yourself look bad, so it doesn't really matter.

I would advise that you learn how to calculate average DPS, so you can better understand how encounters work in this game, and when certain classes are actually necessary.

[Lampolo]

I suppose that's why you only have one level 60 in a 20+ year old game. Your so busy calculating things you forgot to play. You can't learn how to swim without getting in the water.

I don't think you understand how much work would go into building a model to accurately measure each class and their efficiency in different combinations from 1-60. It is far more efficient to learn by feel. You wouldn't even know how to weigh the variables without experience and simulation. Even with a model it would take tons of trial and error and a real sample to measure your accuracy, which you could never get. You are talking nonsense and you don’t know it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose that's why you only have one level 60 in a 20+ year old game. Your so busy calculating things you forgot to play. You can't learn how to swim without getting in the water.

I don't think you understand how much work would go into building a model to accurately measure each class and their efficiency in different combinations from 1-60. It is far more efficient to learn by feel. You wouldn't even know how to weigh the variables without experience and simulation. Even with a model it would take tons of trial and error and a real sample to measure your accuracy, which you could never get. You are talking nonsense and you don’t know it.

I've played the game for years, and I played it on live from 1999-2005. I have the learning by feel down too. You don't need to play all the classes in the game to understand how the game works, how encounters work, and how other classes work. You are also making a lot of assumptions about what classes I have and haven't played hehe.

You are trying to use the fallacy of argument by authority. Leveling to 60 doesn't mean you've learned a lot about the game. You could have been power leveled to 60 on all those characters while AFKing for all we know. It proves nothing.

You have already shown you don't know what you are talking about if you think Shaman's don't have great damage mitigation. Clerics are obviously better for any of the tougher encounters in the game (6 man group content, raids, etc.), but that is all endgame content.

OP is asking about a trio. Can you trio Xenovorash with a single Cleric and Warrior with only an Enchanter for DPS? Maybe, but it's pretty risky considering you only have 40ish minutes to kill him or you lose your quest progress. The vast majority of trio encounters don't need a Cleric/Warrior, and the ones that do would be safer if you brought an extra friend or two.

[Lampolo]

Anyways its been a fun pass time going back and forth. I am burning time today so thank you DSM.

Would love to see a race to 60 between untwinked war/clr/ench and monk/sham/ench or w/e it is your advocating is the best xp trio. Anything with a shaman in the trio would get smoked if all other things were equal. Splitting mobs and slowing them would destroy your xp. Don't forget to put that in your phone calculator model.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyways its been a fun pass time going back and forth. I am burning time today so thank you DSM.

Would love to see a race to 60 between untwinked war/clr/ench and monk/sham/ench or w/e it is your advocating is the best xp trio. Anything with a shaman in the trio would get smoked if all other things were equal. Splitting mobs and slowing them would destroy your xp. Don't forget to put that in your phone calculator model.

Yeah thanks for the time!

You are incorrect about the Shaman trio getting smoked, and it's easy enough to prove with some basic math.

I think the issue here is you are assuming having a monk in the group means you are always splitting. If an encounter is easy enough to face pull multiple mobs with a Warrior, you can simply do the exact same thing with a Monk. The Shaman/Enchanter can just root the adds, and slowing the monster is simply doing what the Cleric is doing: spending mana to mitigate damage.

I am not sure why you think a Cleric/Warrior is going to be considerably faster at this, especially in the lower levels. Any encounter that can be pulled into camp and easily CC'ed is a trivial encounter. With the Monk you have the option to split a harder encounter that you wouldn't be face pulling.

Finally, I never said Cleric/Warrior/Enchanter is a bad trio. It's a great trio. You are the only person here trying to claim that your trio is the only good one for leveling. Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is a very powerful trio at 60 with Torpor and a full Enchanter spellbook. It is still a strong trio while leveling, because most content you would level on from 1-60 is on the easy side anyway.

I wouldn't advise trying to min/max the leveling process, because the point is to get to 60 and farm the good stuff. It mostly comes down to what you want to farm in terms of what classes you want to play. Remember, if you need a Cleric or Warrior for a random fight, you can always just ask your guildies/friends. The trio you play should reflect the content your group wants to do while trioing.

[Lampolo]

My level 24 sola example highlights why the cleric/war combo is better. More, higher level mobs killed per hour. This example is very applicable to the entire game.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My level 24 sola example highlights why the cleric/war combo is better. More, higher level mobs killed per hour. This example is very applicable to the entire game.

It really isn't. Leveling from 1-40 is easy on any class. Mobs in the level range of 1-39 are specifically tuned to be easier. There is a reason why a Fungi Tunic by itself can carry a solo player from 1-40. A Shaman can heal better than a Fungi Tunic once they reach level 19, and levels 1-20 are a joke.

Fighting mobs that are level 40+ is a different game from fighting mobs level 1-39. Again, you should know this if you have the feel of the game down as well as you think you do.

[Lampolo]

The gap between cleric heals and shaman heals only grows. Aswell as the gap between tanks

[Lampolo]

I'm not trying to say the shaman is less than top teir class. The trio difference in xp flow is tremendous tho. Most of my playtime has been duos and trios. Plenty have included shamans