How about...(raidmobs)

[Skope]

the ideas about the rules mean nothing. I'm right when i say that your guilds, the both of them, are being run by assholes with too much pride to concede a little in order to relieve stress on the entire server. How do i know i'm right? because it's come to a point where it's clearly become a huge issue that even the GMs are fucking tired of. There's your proof.

The solution has nothing to do with the rules. The shitty rules only highlight the real issue, and that's your dick-ish, GIMMEGIMMEGIMME MINEMINEMINE, behavior. you can respectfully disagree with me all you want, but that's been the problem since the fishbait/IB/trans/div days. the rules were different, the approach was the same. now the rules are different and the problem is the same.

tell me, what's the common factor here? you shouldn't be having this conversation with me. chances are xzerion is already pissy because you guys are posting on the forums and can't muzzle you all. and why? because you can't solve the issue on your own and you have too much pride/too much invested to look at it from a different perspective. It's happened before: two guilds get to a point where they consider each other a threat and hate each other so much they won't even negotiate. The shit spills over to the forums, the entire server gets pissy at the both of you and the GMs have had enough. Proposal? change the rules. couple months passes and the problem rears it's ugly little head again, this time with a new reason as to why the rules are flawed. Proposal? change the rules.

Now tell me with a straight face that I'm wrong. Lie to me, Pinocchio.

Delete it all. Wait till they learn to play nice and only then can you honestly try to see the flaws in the rules. I'm going to work and I expect this to be resolved by the time i get back. otherwise I'll be having more fun at your expense.

[Bruman]

Make trak drop 50 teeth.

[Loke]

Yes, I'm a proud person. I take pride in the things I do. If I want something, I'm willing to go after it and get it. I personally find that to be an admirable trait. I am not willing to compromise when I feel that it negatively affects me, you're correct. I know it is kind of a silly comparison, but giving up mobs to people who aren't willing to put in the effort to get them is like me accepting a 1.9 GPA because someone else didn't want to do the work and because of that I'm going to give them 1/2 of my 3.8 GPA. Obviously not a perfect analogy, but yes, even in something as trivial as a 12 year old video game, I take pride in what I do and strive to be the best. Do I think I'm better than you because of this? Gear wise, probably. Skill wise, I think I'm a pretty good player, so probably. However, we both play this game because we enjoy it, and as far as that is concerned I cannot honestly say whether you or I has the upper hand. For all I know, you could enjoy the game 10x more than I do, and if that is the case, then in that regard I would say you've got the upper hand.

As far as Xz is concerned, he is about the most sincere, down to earth, and selfless guy I've ever met in a raiding guild. In fact, his personality is so different than any guild leader I've ever had before that it is kind of amazing to me that he is so effective. Hate on me, Kins, Karsten or whatever TR figure you want, because I'm sure there are a ton of things you can attack us for, but honestly, Xz doesn't do anything without first thinking of what is best for the server - the guy is super genuine, almost to a fault.

[Tewaz]

I think they do need to address this because having 500+ people looking to raid by the time Velious rolls out is NOT Classic and so this needs to be addressed. I think the spawn timers should be increased just so some guilds will get tired of raiding.

I played on Drinal and we did pick ups on all raids in classic and Kunark during the Velious era because Cats in Hats seemed to only hang out in NToV. Naggy and Vox were usually up and Gorenaire chased me around constantly in DL. I don't feel like that will happen on this server though, I think we will still deal with poop sockers going after everything instead of just the SoL raid mobs.

My 2 cents.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by Tewaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played on Drinal and we did pick ups on all raids in classic and Kunark during the Velious era because Cats in Hats seemed to only hang out in NToV.

Who were you and did you ever raid Hate or Kael with Aadill and Ploxious?~

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because there's competition now so they're "forced" to poopsock (both TMO/TR). if you miss out on a few dragons and don't see the same amount of loot you used to you quickly start to notice the flaws in the system. guilds tend to turn to dick-ish behavior where they can capitalize on any single advantage they can get; example: leaving your PC on and your character logged in in a particular zone so you can respond to the batphone faster.

basically boils down to "if they do it then we have to do it too in order to stay competitive because they have X advantage" but in reality they both hate the fact that they're "forced" to do it so they bitch and moan on the forums.

Loke, you're being a dick. He has an extremely fucking valid point and so does Uthgaard. They're tired of fucking babysitting you douchemonkeys every time a raid mob spawns because you're so greedy and competitive and have created a top-end raid scene that even you have a hard time enjoying. If i were uthgaard I'd despawn and delete any loot that drops every time there is a petition that could have been resolved before the thing spawned. You have no idea how many times I've sent tells to you fuckholes before a potential problem only to be completely fucking ignored or even get back a asshole response. Considering who the officers are in the two respective guilds I'm going to assume that shit still happens quite frequently. Somehow you sound pissy that uthgaard has a problem? or that chica doesn't know why the problem wasn't seen/solved before? are you fucking serious? it's the same issue that you've dealt with on both sides of the battlefield and I'm getting the vibe that you're upset that uthgaard has to delete loot after you've wasted days of your time... well, that's not his problem but yours. and it's been your problem for years now

This is server chat ban this tool

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is what we're trying to do. By proposing new raid systems (like variance, or Kinsawt's anti-poopsocking, no going past door idea). TMO provide an idea that isn't "Lets poopsock on the ledge as opposed to on the spawn point" - which is basically the same thing.

How is camping behind the door different than the ledge... another 50 feet? Be real.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by JenJen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fail to understand why rotation isnt considered appealing? or is VP not rotationable?

Competition.... people didn't form these large kill squads to share.

[Maze513]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make trak drop 50 teeth.

Now he might be on to something here.... if every asshat ans hasbin has a tooth and there for access to VP.. This would change alot of peoples tunes about "How bad they want it" when damn near anyone can get it =p

just an idea but: FREE Veeshans Peak!

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is camping behind the door different than the ledge... another 50 feet? Be real.

Originally Posted by Loke

I don't have any authorization from anyone in my guild to be a spokesperson or anything, but just on a person to person level - if anyone in TMO seriously has an idea they'd like to present on how to end poopsocking (not just move it to a different location) I'd be THRILLED to hear it and assuming it actually was a viable solution, I'd have no problem using what extremely limited influence I have in TR to endorse it.

Alarti, let's stop pointing fingers and work together to find a solution. I don't care whose fault it is that we're currently poopsocking, all i care about is finding a resolution. You can keep taking digs like this at every post I make if you want, but I'm only really interested in talking about what we can do to remedy this situation. If you're interested, feel free to PM me here, hit me up on AIM, or in game. Like I said, I have absolutely no authority to speak on behalf of TR, but I'm more than willing to throw some ideas around and see if we can't find something that sticks.