Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Gustoo]

Best group is 4 rogues. Kill one mob, talk about it at local bar for a while. Get a comission to kill another mob. Rinse and repeat. By the time you’re level 60 you’ll be running the thieves guild.

[cyxthryth]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No red flags are set off when the people who are posting have accumulated 700+ posts that are just insults and memes.

You have claimed that "the people [other than you] who are posting have accumulated 700+ posts that are just insults and memes", but you stating that (repeatedly) does not make it true. It has to actually be true hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In (irrefutable) fact several of us have been here simply challenging your irrelevant data, irrelevant hypotheticals and unrealistic demands repeatedly, however, you seemingly continue to ignore irrefutable facts, and/or you seemingly misunderstand or (intentionally or otherwise) are misconstruing your true understanding. You have provided irrelevant data as has been explained to you multiple times by multiple posters. This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure how that doesn't qualify as dumb.

It certainly does qualify as dumb that you alone have provided irrelevant data in ~700+ posts and continue to not understand (or [intentionally or otherwise] continue to misconstrue your understanding of) that irrefutable fact.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you had confidence in your point of view, you wouldn't need to resort to that. You clearly lack the confidence to provide evidence or simply move on. The math is really simple, and nobody has been able to provide alternate calculations that weren't wrong.

No. What you seemingly don't understand (or are [intentionally or otherwise] misconstruing your true understanding of) is that in the above quoted post you are simply hypocritically projecting what YOU yourself do upon those you are (very selectively [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]) replying to; and this (among many other) irrefutable fact(s) has been pointed out to you multiple times, by multiple posters, and the above quote is just one of many examples of you displaying such behavior. I present the posts in this thread as evidence of this irrefutable fact, and you have not provided (and cannot provide) any counter-evidence. The post history speaks for itself, and is visible to all.

We have confidence in our factually correct point of view, so we can simply state irrefutable facts in this thread - which you cannot refute - or we can pose simple questions to you - which you seemingly cannot or will not answer. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] We have continued to do this, and you seemingly continue to ignore irrefutable facts, and/or you seemingly misunderstand or (intentionally or otherwise) are misconstruing your true understanding.

In direct response to this "The math is really simple, and nobody has been able to provide alternate calculations that weren't wrong".:

No. The math you provided is really simply irrelevant, for reasons already explained to you multiple times by multiple posters. I present the posts in this thread (but especially the ones you have ignored, misunderstood, or [intentionally or otherwise] misconstrued your understanding of) as evidence of this irrefutable fact.

Again, your data is, was, and continues to be invalid simply because it is irrelevant, this simple irrefutable fact has already been stated to you multiple times by multiple people and explained multiple times by mulitple people. Ignoring the facts will not make them go away hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you don't understand is once you are in a group setting, there are too many variables out of your control that can skew the data (which is a favored phrase around here). If your Enchanters suck and your Mage pet keeps dying, your Mage's DPS will suffer. That doesn't mean Mage DPS is actually that low. You just had bad luck with a group. Getting good group data that everybody can agree upon is tough. I can guarantee you even if I did provide what you are asking for, you would just say it isn't good enough. That is currently what you do with everything I provide anyway.

No. The problem is that your post quoted above would seemingly indicate that you believe that the rest of us are not aware of these variables, when, in irrefutable fact (which - again - you cannot refute) these very same variables (among other examples) are what others have (repeatedly) attempted to point out to you in previous posts are reasons that your Shaman solo root rotting data (which you have copy/paste repeated ad nauseum) is not, and cannot be, an accurate representation of what would be occurring / how much DPS you would be doing in an actual high level fast-paced killing DPS group setting; again, this is an irrefutable fact, which you have (intentionally or otherwise) now finally acknowledged via the above quote hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The videos I presented of my Shaman solo root rotting mobs are the best way to parse DPS of my Shaman solo root rotting mobs.

Fixed that for you. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Unfortunately, a Shaman solo root rotting mobs is irrelevant to this discussion, as I and many other posters have already pointed out to you multiple times.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A Mage could copy what I did in my videos and we would be able to see the cleanest data we can get, which would provide the DPS of the class, NOT the player.

You could copy what Troxx did, or you could have accepted any of the multiple requests requested of you to provide data of your Shaman DPSing in a high level fast-paced killing DFPS group... but you did not.

Players, including each individual groupmate when grouped, are variables themselves and/or each acts as a sort of source of multiple additional variables as your post has admitted, and since botting/automated play is against the rules of Project 1999, it makes no sense to remove players from the equation. This is a game after all DSM, being played by players. This game, and the already-laid-out context of this discussion (Shaman vs. Mage in a high level fast-paced killing DPS group) is not a perfectly executed simulation, and such an example would be irrelevant. It is simply asinine of you to imply that presumed/calculated/napkin-mathed-assumptions of what "classes NOT players" are hypothetically capable of are or somehow could be valuable/relevant to this discussion, which is about real life, and not a perfectly executed simulation, which would be against the rules anyway hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, it's too difficult to try and reproduce identical variables across two different groups to get clean data. Otherwise the excuse could always be "my DPS was low because of my group", and you wouldn't be able to disprove that theory.

You have provided zero evidence that anybody has requested that you produce identical variables, and you are the only one bringing up "clean data". What WAS factually requested of you by Troxx and any/all other posters is visible in the posts of this thread. You cannot refute these irrefutable facts, and it is not everybody else's fault if you have ignored or misunderstood those posts or are (intentionally or otherwise) misconstruing your true understanding.

[Troxx]

Any necromancer worth their salt knows there is a big difference in potential dps vs functional dps in a fast moving group. We (necros) are kings of dots and massive mana regen passively sitting on our asses.

DSM equating solo root dot dps to what is capable in a fast moving group? Lol no.

Necros can pet + nuke in fast groups better than shamans .. and fall behind mages unless necros are charming.

[Troxx]

Mages are top tier group dps.

Necros are fairly ok group dps if they can't charm.

Shamans are lol no.

I have all 3 classes at level 60 with full spell kits.

[Troxx]

I am legit embarrassed I have to point this out.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We still have yet to see you join a fast paced group with your dog pet and log any modicum of respectable sustained dps on your shaman.

It’s sad you were too chicken-liver’d to try as hard in game as you blow-hard in this thread. I know you won’t and I’m pretty sure I know why: you will get data that doesn’t fit your narrative and would effectively prove yourself wrong.

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[Troxx]

5 more pages! We can do it unless this salty autistic bitch stops posting.

Remember us on page 73 banking on 100?

We now are closing in on 200 pages and nothing new has been said.

[Troxx]

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[Raj]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best group is 4 rogues. Kill one mob, talk about it at local bar for a while. Get a comission to kill another mob. Rinse and repeat. By the time you’re level 60 you’ll be running the thieves guild.

[Troxx]

Ok i just spent a few hours on my 60 shaman doing stuff.

Time spent casting Canni IV and torpor was most of my time

Solo capability = great

Effective dps in a group = barely there

DSM prove us wrong. Do the foot work. Prove me wrong.

Want "data"? Provide it