Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Toxigen]

Quite the 500th post (in this thread alone).

Stern cringe.

Over 17% of his posts since 2014 have been in this thread alone.

hehehehe

[Karanis]

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[PlsNoBan]

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[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Average Total DPS with https://wiki.project1999.com/Boots_of_Bladecalling : 48 + 35.29 + 16.95 = 100.24 DPS

Average Total DPS with JBB: 17.7 + 32.88 = 50.58 DPS

So by your own math, you are conceding that the Shaman can only hope to maintain at best half the sustained DPS of the Mage in a fast killing group? (i.e. one in which you can't get value from your DoTs and your best DPS comes from spamming JBB).

Are we finally done here?

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So by your own math, you are conceding that the Shaman can only hope to maintain at best half the sustained DPS of the Mage in a fast killing group? (i.e. one in which you can't get value from your DoTs and your best DPS comes from spamming JBB).

Are we finally done here?

inb4 some idiotic argument about how you misinterpreted his data and/or shaman utility means more than literally double dps in a group with multiple encs and a cleric already. His own data basically confirmed what the "trolls" have been telling him for over 100 pages now. Mage is MUCH more effective DPS than shaman in a fast pulling/killing group. This fact is as blatantly obvious as anything could be but he repeatedly denied it cause of "muh data" and now his own data says the same thing we've all been saying.

Can't wait to see how he tries to spin this one

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So by your own math, you are conceding that the Shaman can only hope to maintain at best half the sustained DPS of the Mage in a fast killing group? (i.e. one in which you can't get value from your DoTs and your best DPS comes from spamming JBB).

Are we finally done here?

The data below will show average DPS over the average 36 second kill speed of the group:

Average Total DPS difference with best clickies: 83.45 DPS - 52.95 DPS = 30.5 DPS. Please read hehe. Killspeed effects how many clickies you can use in a fight.

If you want to compare the 100 DPS clickie number, you would compare it to:

Average Total DPS with 1 Epic Click + 1x Pox + 2x Bane of Nife: 17.7 + 63 = 80.7 DPS

This is because the 100 DPS clickie number is assuming slower kill speeds. Slower kill speeds are why you can spam a 17 second clickie multiple times hehe. If you are killing a mob in roughly 30 seconds, you can only click the boots once. This is all in my last post, so please go over it more carefully if you want to ask questions or discuss it.

[PlsNoBan]

Ahh we went the misinterpretation route. On a 30s fight you'd use clicky once then maybe 1 regular faster cast nuke. You don't have to stick to 1 method the whole time. Dots would still be useless on a fight that short and would be stuck doing JBB but you could mix and match boots of bladecalling with a shock of steel depending on how fast things are dying and get higher DPS than the strictly regular nuke DPS number.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh we went the misinterpretation route. On a 30s fight you'd use clicky once then maybe 1 regular faster cast nuke. You don't have to stick to 1 method the whole time. Dots would still be useless on a fight that short and would be stuck doing JBB but you could mix and match boots of bladecalling with a shock of steel depending on how fast things are dying and get higher DPS than the strictly regular nuke DPS number.

It's not misinterpretation. He simply didn't read the whole thing and cherry picked two numbers.

You wouldn't want to mix mana nukes and boots of bladecalling. You would lose 4 ticks of meditate (80 mana) per 24 seconds (17 clickie cast + 6 second Shock of Steel cast). That means you are spending 328 mana per Shock of Steel essentially, while only getting back 110 from clarity 2 + 100 from meditate over 5 ticks. You would be out of mana after 30 mobs. This is assuming you can perfectly meditate between two mobs.

Shamans can mix and match spells/clickies due to Torpor. Shamans can also increase how much they nuke if you want to go down the route of draining mana for more DPS.

[Vexenu]

As was established well-over 100 pages ago, your forumquest math is nonsensical and in no way correlates to how EQ is actually played.

[Kich867]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not misinterpretation. He simply didn't read the whole thing and cherry picked two numbers.

You wouldn't want to mix mana nukes and boots of bladecalling. You would lose 4 ticks of meditate (80 mana) per 24 seconds (17 clickie cast + 6 second Shock of Steel cast). That means you are spending 328 mana per Shock of Steel essentially, while only getting back 110 from clarity 2 + 100 from meditate over 5 ticks. You would be out of mana after 30 mobs. This is assuming you can perfectly meditate between two mobs.

Shamans can do this due to Torpor.

Do you think it's realistic for that to matter? Most dungeons have 22+ minute spawn timers. In my experience, people mistakenly prioritize dungeons while leveling due to the ZEM but they ignore the fact that the monsters take so long to respawn they're not actually getting better xp.

In the overwhelming majority of dungeon groups I've participated in, if you're churning through mobs too quickly, you hit a dead zone of spawns.